that’s russia level of petty shit
Keeps Gaza dependent on others for their potable water. Can be used as a lever of control to gain compliance in other issues. Tactics 101.
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Cruelty aside, this is just wasteful as fuck.
Israelis cannot co-exist with humanity. The entire concept of “Israel” must be abolished and dismantled. They’re not going to stop their genocidal project once they’re done with the Palestinians.
If this is what they do in the open who knows what kind of evil they’ve done in the shadows? Absolutely vile demons.
Fundamentalist Judaism is horrifying. They want “Greater Israel”. They think they are The Chosen People. They’ll never stop.
Fundamentalist Islam wants to rule the Earth with Islamic law, with fire for all that will not submit to their superiority. They’ll never stop.
Fundamentalist Christians want Jesus to come back and murder everyone else on Earth for them (so that they can rule the world). They think they’re better than you. They’ll never stop.
p.s. I encourage everyone to read the Tanakh/Bible/Koran and see for themselves, and to listen to what fundamentalist rabbis, priests, and imams are saying today.
I understand you’re saying that Israel cannot co-exist with the rest of the world in its current state and agree wholeheartedly. However, I would caution you to be careful with how you express it. Saying “Israelis cannot co-exist with humanity” can easily be mistaken by an honest person as a call for the extermination of the people living in Israel rather than the government that makes them Israeli.
We’re constantly having to deal with people falsely acuusing us of antisemitism for opposing Israel’s genocide. We can’t afford to be sloppy with our words and give them ammunition to use against us.
According to the people who seem to be defining the term, anti Zionism equals antisemitism.
I get what you’re saying and also wish no ill on the non nazi Israelis. But they’re gonna scream antisemitism at anyone who won’t at least send them more munitions either way. These aren’t sane people.
These aren’t sane people.
Neither side scores highly on the scale for pragmatism or reasonableness (or peaceful intentions towards their opposites…). The idea that the Israelis will simply give up their land + country and leave the region is absurd. Those who unbendingly insist upon it, well, I question their sanity too. Possession is still 9/10 of the law in internaitonal politics. Even today, after having all of history to look back upon. Often convoluted legalistic moral arguments on the Arab side have also accomplished little in 80 years as far as gaining Arabs/Palis international support for their wishes and demands.
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There’s dishonest people defining it that way, yes. And those people will pounce on poorly worded statements like “Israelis can’t co-exist with humanity” as point to it as a call for the extermination of Israel’s citizens and civilian population, and they will use it to convince honest people that it’s our goal.
When fighting dishonest people, you can’t afford to make stupid statements that give their lies cover.
Yeah im not disagreeing at all, just noting thats inevitable at this point since its the dishonest people in both media anf politics that warp the term to cover anything they need it to in the moment.
Just look how starmer used that exact play to eject anyone not right wing from the labour party in the uk.
I don’t care if evil monsters call me their enemy. I consider that a badge of honor.
I do care, however, if my own words can be used by those same monsters to mislead good people.
Yeah thats a good way to put it
anti Zionism
Is there a way to be anti-zionist without practically wanting all jews to leave the area where Israel currently is? It’s about wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, isn’t it?
edit I asked the question, but it was of course rhetorical. Anti-Zionism is exactly wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, not giving a fuck what happens to the people living there.
Zionism is the support of a Jewish/white supremacist apartheid state.
I am an anti-Zionist. I don’t think apartheid ethnostates should exist. That is not the same as saying “I think all Jews should be run out of the historical land of Palestine.” It means I believe in equal opportunity and governance for all people, regardless of their class, ethnicity, gender, religion, or lack of religion.
You could look at it that way, but countries have come and gone throughout history. However they got there, they are there now, if they would peacefully coexist in the area, then it was Zionism that put them there but they would no longer be practising the murderous expansionism of Zionism.
The problem is thats not gonna happen without some kind of reckoning, and even if that were to happen, the reparations due are incalculable at this point
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okay
They’re not going to stop their genocidal project once they’re done with the Palestinians.
Eh, Israel is a very small country. They are currently about tapped out for manpower and military resources. Isreal is hardly large enough to threaten the world with much of anything.
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My question is: what to do with them?
You can’t break them up and disperse them. We tried that with Nazis after WW2 and that just seeded Nazis everywhere that formed cores for Nazi sympathizers to rally around.
Probably not great to lock them up in the country, like Cuba, either. It won’t fix their cancerous ideology…and most of their land is stolen.
Really, any actions will only fuel their persecution complex, and they’ll weave that into the indoctrination they install into the following generations of Israeli.
My question is: what to do with them?
You can’t break them up and disperse them.
Yeah, those are the questions many people ask about Palestinians, but somehow only in that case people seem to understand that it’s immoral.
Who are these ‘many people’ trying break up and disperse Palestine, except Zionists? “Let them get their country back” is what you ‘do’ with them.
I’m not sure what you’re saying here at all, particularly because “that case” is indefinite. Whose case are you referring to: the real apartheid of Palestinians, or the hypothetical dissolution of Israel?
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Europe should let go of some territory to relocate israel. The whole problem started cuz of europe’s antisemitism, they should pay for it. Besides, europe needs educated people who can work, who’s better than ‘imported europeans’ from palestine?
And europe would further benefit from IDF’s strong military capability against russia. Iron dome, david sling and others would be defending against russia drones that keep coming into EU territory.
This would also mean that european nations won’t have to spend so much money for militarization thus it would boost EU economy.
And we shouldn’t forget, israelis also look european so chances of racial clashes would be low + plus EU countries have been educating themselves about anti-semitism for generations.
This would literally solve all of the problems.
I believe the IDF’s “military capability” is largely subsidized by the US sending nearly-unconditional aid, and because of their ideology riling them up for their chance to shoot civilians during their stint in military service.
I do think forcing the West to bear arbitrary reorganization of their borders, for once, would be “funny.” But who is going to force them to when neither the Israelis nor any European country would want that? The West could have enforced the Israeli project on the Middle East (even if Zionists weren’t salivating for the chance to colonize the area) in lieu of Jewish support.
Israelis wouldn’t just agree to up and move en masse. A major part of the issue is that all three Abrahamic religions claim to have a divine right to that specific land.
What happens when someone overstay their visa in any country? They get deported forcefully. Why would it be any different here?
And those 3 religions lived in peace for generations there before israeli state.
Palestine is not a religion issue, its a colonial one
If we designate them as a war crimes nation and make funding them toxic and illegal, the problem will just take care of itself. The money and support is how they exist at all. I’d be massively against allowing war criminals into the US as refugees.
Quoting a different one of my comments in this thread:
You’re just recommending the same course of actions that the US North took against the Confederacy. And we see how well that worked out for stomping out their noxious belief today.
If you just board up the building bigots spewed out hate from without stopping the people with bad thoughts from propagating them, then they’ll set up shop somewhere else. You have to dig them up by the roots.
But killing people for “bad thoughts” isn’t a great road to start walking down. So we arrive back at my original comment.
Abolish the country stop funding them. If they form pars military groups to try and keep/take it back treat them as the terrorists they are. Hell just stop funding them would be a big hit.
We are clearly talking about different things.
Obviously, you stop funding them but that doesn’t fix Israel. You’re just recommending the same course of actions that the US North took against the Confederacy. And we see how well that worked out for stomping out their noxious belief today.
If you just board up the building bigots spewed out hate from without stopping the people with bad thoughts from propagating them, then they’ll set up shop somewhere else. You have to dig them up by the roots.
But killing people for “bad thoughts” isn’t a great road to start walking down. So we arrive back at my original comment.
But killing people for “bad thoughts” isn’t a great road to start walking down.
No no, you see the Nazi problem will just solve itself. Like it did after WW2… wait a minute that problem didn’t solve itself… also we’re dealing with Nazis everywhere in modern day… hmmm…
Surely the ‘obliterate Israel’ crowd has suggestions for a solution, right? No, no - not that kind of solution. Surely.
The same thing happened during the German holocaust - it was far worse than everyone knew until after the war.
At least that’s the narrative that emerged post-war.
Personally, I find it hard to believe that nobody knew.
Yup and they learned the lessons well. Not so that they could avoid them. But to improve upon them.
dint the sewage also now affect israel, as the runoff creates huge toxic algal blooms near israel as well.
Ohoho there is no bottom in hell, Israel just keeps digging themselves deeper
Imagine how bad that would be for them if hell was real !
I thought “Hell” was a Christian invention that didn’t exist in Judaism?
Zionists really took that as a license to do anything.
Yeah, and everyone was tops? That’d suck.
more war crimes against humanity genocide. really worse than nazi germany at this point
Israel is definitely committing genocide, and what they’re doing is definitely not worse than what Nazi Germany did. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t go further than Nazi Germany if given the opportunity, though
Sniping children’s body parts as a game definitely sounds more sadistic than Nazi Germany.
I’m not sure about that. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/children-during-the-holocaust
And while he was just one guy, look up Mengele as well - what he did to twins in particular.
While we can sit here deliberating brutality, let me know when it was institutionalized games.
That feels like a bit of a goalpost shift. The comment I replied to was already comparing the sadism of Israelis and Nazis. To be clear, I wasn’t defending Israel, and I wasn’t even saying that what the Nazis did was worse. I specifically said I’m not sure. I didn’t take your initial point to imply certainty either. My point was just that the Nazis were hardly slouching in the sadism department themselves.
I’m not aware of Nazis shooting children in that particular way, you’re right. But I’m also unaware of an Israeli equivalent of Mengele. So I’m not really sure where we actually disagree here.
Not sure what goal posts have been moved. Both comments are of the sadistic game of sniping kids that’s institutionalized in the IDF for decades.
There is no single equivalent of mengele, but the torture death camps exist
https://www.btselem.org/sites/default/files/publications/202601_living_hell_eng.pdf
The Nazis knew what they were doing was horrific and they hid it from their own people (very well documented). Israel glorifies their sadism, is very open about it, and it’s encouraged by the majority of the population (also very well documented).
The premise here is that Israel is worse than the Nazis because of their full throated support for the genocide and genocidal actions. People can argue in terms of numbers (because apparently human suffering has to be quantified to compare tragedies), but Israel is very much the winner when it comes to institutionalized sadism that has wide and knowing support from the citizenry. And that’s why people say that Israel is worse.
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Man fuck Israel that’s just mean.
Along with literally salting earth, burning olive groves and bulldozing houses. They seem to carry a massive grudge, but I guess that’s just what you do to your neighbors down there.
Down where? In hell? Cause those genociders are demonic.
I guess the Palestinians didn’t get the memo, otherwise they would be poisoning the wells before they get pushed off.
Why poison your own well?
They want to be able to come back to their land and live on it.
They believe, as they should that they will get their land back to share peacefully with their families and neighbors even sharing it with Jewish people, maybe not Israelis but just Jewish people in a land with equal rights for all.
I’m starting to think that these Israelites might not be the good guys.
… but they’re in the bible, and Christians are in the Bible, and Christians are like Jesus, and Jesus is good, so they must be good, right?
Netanyahu is a piece of shit. But many many Israelis tried desperately not to elect Netanyahu for a solid four years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2022_Israeli_political_crisis
I think they’re speaking generally, not every single Israeli.
I like to think I’m one of the good Americans, but we are absolute dog shit in general, a country that doesn’t deserve to exist based on religious delusion and racism.
This comment is whitewashing Israeli society, which is a religious supremacist society that views all other religions as subhuman. Netanyahu is not the problem, every PM before him has done unspeakable war crimes in an ongoing 79 years ethnic cleansing and colonization of Palestine on the bases of religious supremacy. It’s a sick society that sets up camping chairs on hilltops and boat tours to watch bombs be dropped on children, that breaks our into violent protests demanding the release of admitted rapists, who urinate on Christian and Muslim holy sites and spit on and regularly attack what they call “Arabs”, who drive on separate roads with a special license plate based on religion, who have it enshrined in their law that only Jews can have self determination.
There are no good Israles nudt ike their are no good Americans. It is the one bad apple spoils the barrel thing.
Yet the longest lasting coalition government in the past decade is this recent one under Bibi, and even the alternative to Bibi, Yair Lapid, calls for genocide
Israeli population overwhelmingly support occupation, apartheid and genocide. It’s not just Netanyahu. Maybe a dozen Israelis are serious about ending occupation, tops
“Not a genocide!” they said, genocidally.
The terrorist organization known as “israel” needs to stop existing asap.
More war crimes.
Nothing to see here … just Israel is commiting war crimes … noting new … USA is supporting and enabiling this … nothing to see here.
In Israel’s defense, it is harder to genocide people who have fresh water to drink.
I will vote for any presidential candidate that runs on nuking israel at this point.
Right I’m sure Gazans would really appreciate getting hit with the fallout from those nukes.
And that is the only reason why nuking Israel is a bad idea?
I was using the argument I thought that person would respond to. Obviously there’s a lot of reasons it’d be bad.
Once you watch actual real footage of what happened to people in history when nuclear weapons were used on them, you will never again jokingly or seriously advocate for their use.
The effects of nuclear weapons are a cruelty I didn’t fully understand until I saw it.
Edit: I am in no way condoning what Israel has done.
Second edit: Fuck all you bloodthirsty sociopathic downvoters. What the actual fuck.
Second edit: Fuck all you bloodthirsty sociopathic downvoters. What the actual fuck.
This place makes reddit look like a university sometimes, doesn’t it.
people who actively support shooting a child over 300 times with the intention of cruelty deserve to have their skin and eyeballs peel off their bodies as their organs begin to slowly disintegrate.
just saying.
All the politicians in power and everyone in the IDF deserve to be brought up on war crimes.
I side with you, under no circumstances using nuclear weapons is admissible, what the f is wrong with some people? If you think a mass killing is a way of bringing justice to this world, your are nutz.
I recommend you look at a satellite view of Gaza on Google Maps.
Then I recommend you look at the genocide support poll numbers in Israel.
Sadly I have seen both.
Using nuclear weapons makes whomever dropped them the new cause of a new genocide. They will have become the very thing they sought to destroy.
Don’t you want to save the neighborhoods that are still left?
Sure, but why use nukes? A few conventional missiles would decapitate the government quite effectively.
This is one of the rare cases where it’s not just the government leadership that is the problem. They enjoy broad popular support because of cult indoctrination.
Edit: and to get in front of it, no, Israelies absolutely do not represent Jews around the world. Not even a sliver of them. Zionism is a cult by any definition.
Just like Iran right?
