I understand you’re saying that Israel cannot co-exist with the rest of the world in its current state and agree wholeheartedly. However, I would caution you to be careful with how you express it. Saying “Israelis cannot co-exist with humanity” can easily be mistaken by an honest person as a call for the extermination of the people living in Israel rather than the government that makes them Israeli.
We’re constantly having to deal with people falsely acuusing us of antisemitism for opposing Israel’s genocide. We can’t afford to be sloppy with our words and give them ammunition to use against us.
According to the people who seem to be defining the term, anti Zionism equals antisemitism.
I get what you’re saying and also wish no ill on the non nazi Israelis. But they’re gonna scream antisemitism at anyone who won’t at least send them more munitions either way. These aren’t sane people.
Neither side scores highly on the scale for pragmatism or reasonableness (or peaceful intentions towards their opposites…). The idea that the Israelis will simply give up their land + country and leave the region is absurd. Those who unbendingly insist upon it, well, I question their sanity too.
Possession is still 9/10 of the law in internaitonal politics. Even today, after having all of history to look back upon. Often convoluted legalistic moral arguments on the Arab side have also accomplished little in 80 years as far as gaining Arabs/Palis international support for their wishes and demands.
There’s dishonest people defining it that way, yes. And those people will pounce on poorly worded statements like “Israelis can’t co-exist with humanity” as point to it as a call for the extermination of Israel’s citizens and civilian population, and they will use it to convince honest people that it’s our goal.
When fighting dishonest people, you can’t afford to make stupid statements that give their lies cover.
Yeah im not disagreeing at all, just noting thats inevitable at this point since its the dishonest people in both media anf politics that warp the term to cover anything they need it to in the moment.
Just look how starmer used that exact play to eject anyone not right wing from the labour party in the uk.
Is there a way to be anti-zionist without practically wanting all jews to leave the area where Israel currently is? It’s about wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, isn’t it?
edit I asked the question, but it was of course rhetorical. Anti-Zionism is exactly wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, not giving a fuck what happens to the people living there.
Zionism is the support of a Jewish/white supremacist apartheid state.
I am an anti-Zionist. I don’t think apartheid ethnostates should exist. That is not the same as saying “I think all Jews should be run out of the historical land of Palestine.” It means I believe in equal opportunity and governance for all people, regardless of their class, ethnicity, gender, religion, or lack of religion.
You could look at it that way, but countries have come and gone throughout history. However they got there, they are there now, if they would peacefully coexist in the area, then it was Zionism that put them there but they would no longer be practising the murderous expansionism of Zionism.
The problem is thats not gonna happen without some kind of reckoning, and even if that were to happen, the reparations due are incalculable at this point
I understand you’re saying that Israel cannot co-exist with the rest of the world in its current state and agree wholeheartedly. However, I would caution you to be careful with how you express it. Saying “Israelis cannot co-exist with humanity” can easily be mistaken by an honest person as a call for the extermination of the people living in Israel rather than the government that makes them Israeli.
We’re constantly having to deal with people falsely acuusing us of antisemitism for opposing Israel’s genocide. We can’t afford to be sloppy with our words and give them ammunition to use against us.
According to the people who seem to be defining the term, anti Zionism equals antisemitism.
I get what you’re saying and also wish no ill on the non nazi Israelis. But they’re gonna scream antisemitism at anyone who won’t at least send them more munitions either way. These aren’t sane people.
Neither side scores highly on the scale for pragmatism or reasonableness (or peaceful intentions towards their opposites…). The idea that the Israelis will simply give up their land + country and leave the region is absurd. Those who unbendingly insist upon it, well, I question their sanity too. Possession is still 9/10 of the law in internaitonal politics. Even today, after having all of history to look back upon. Often convoluted legalistic moral arguments on the Arab side have also accomplished little in 80 years as far as gaining Arabs/Palis international support for their wishes and demands.
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There’s dishonest people defining it that way, yes. And those people will pounce on poorly worded statements like “Israelis can’t co-exist with humanity” as point to it as a call for the extermination of Israel’s citizens and civilian population, and they will use it to convince honest people that it’s our goal.
When fighting dishonest people, you can’t afford to make stupid statements that give their lies cover.
Yeah im not disagreeing at all, just noting thats inevitable at this point since its the dishonest people in both media anf politics that warp the term to cover anything they need it to in the moment.
Just look how starmer used that exact play to eject anyone not right wing from the labour party in the uk.
I don’t care if evil monsters call me their enemy. I consider that a badge of honor.
I do care, however, if my own words can be used by those same monsters to mislead good people.
Yeah thats a good way to put it
Is there a way to be anti-zionist without practically wanting all jews to leave the area where Israel currently is? It’s about wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, isn’t it?
edit I asked the question, but it was of course rhetorical. Anti-Zionism is exactly wanting to dismantle the country known as Israel, not giving a fuck what happens to the people living there.
Zionism is the support of a Jewish/white supremacist apartheid state.
I am an anti-Zionist. I don’t think apartheid ethnostates should exist. That is not the same as saying “I think all Jews should be run out of the historical land of Palestine.” It means I believe in equal opportunity and governance for all people, regardless of their class, ethnicity, gender, religion, or lack of religion.
You could look at it that way, but countries have come and gone throughout history. However they got there, they are there now, if they would peacefully coexist in the area, then it was Zionism that put them there but they would no longer be practising the murderous expansionism of Zionism.
The problem is thats not gonna happen without some kind of reckoning, and even if that were to happen, the reparations due are incalculable at this point
okay