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There is only one correct way. Lid closed when not in use and before flush. The sole exception was at my old house the spare bathroom was configured to allow the birds to perch above the toilet to poop but at the current one they are training to use garbage bins with a fig branch above to have more poop spots since only the pigeon would fly through the whole house to get to the toilet and the rest only if they were already nearby.
I know this is off topic a bit but… Tell me more about your birds! A pet pigeon you say? I hear they’re fun to train and not too messy by pet bird standards.
Birds lore drop time I guess:
Pigeons are way smarter than people typically give them credit for but they are kinda dumb in weird ways. If you don’t train them they will shit everywhere and they shed a lot of feathers and certain ones stick to everything and none of the parrot feathers seem to have that property. The runny poop is caused by some sort of microbe or something that she got treated for and then she drops nugs instead.
They don’t seem to pay as much attention to their feet as parrots do. I had a box fan with the furnace filters on it in a cube shape blowing upward and she would just stand on it with the blades buzzing against her toenails so I switched to triangle layout blowing to the side.
Air filters are needed for any birds beyond maybe one budgie or finch but bigger or dustier birds justify one on their own. Pigeon is almost par with the notorious african grey in dustiness.
Pigeons are also super clingy and needy and always want to be with their favourite person at any expense. She will fly up and stomp by the door if I have to close the birds in their room. When she’s out its constantly trying to preen my face and eyeballs unlike cockatiels and most other parrots that preen my hair. The eye poke isnt malicious but it’s still awful.
Pigeons can also fully memorize the layout of a house and will establish a schedule. Mine would wake up and eat, fly around a bunch until I wake up, stick to me for as long as possible before and after work, fly all the way to the top floor toilet to poop, when my mom gets home she flies downstairs to get fed the same food but it tastes better from mom and all the birds agree, then flies back after eating and watching whatever garbage shows my parents like, then demands scritches for the remainer of the day.
I use a shop vac for the feathers and the poop during retraining for the new poop stations. I’m going to be trying out robo vac with mop if the other birds don’t figure it out fairly soon. Hopefully they do because its been a lot of extra cleaning since I moved.
I’ve had as many as 9 birds at one time. Apart from my elderly cockatiel that came from an egg his parents secretly laid in my bookshelf decades ago, they are all shelter and rescue birds usually middle age or older. My daily schedule includes administering each of their medications which usually means blunt tipped syringe and like 0.3 to 0.8ml of up to 3 meds per bird, and recently even eyedrops for my cockatiel. A pigeon will be interfering the whole time guaranteed.
That’s awesome! I used to have a cat I trained to use the toilet. I tried the same with my current cats, however one of them manages to sit on the edge just fine, but faces the wrong way half the time.
I only have one toilet in my life that has two lids. I think I mostly keep them both down but I don’t obsess about that stuff. Most of the toilets I use have the single 90% ring with the gap at the front and no top lid. So I can’t care very much.
The hell does your toilet have two seats instead of 1 seat and a lid for?
The lid is also a seat. You’ve never sat on a closed toilet to do something? Put on a bandaid or clip your toenails or just to sit for a second?
Does that mean my face counts as a seat? 🤔
c/facesitting
1 seat for adults, 1 seat for toddlers and the lid
One for sittin and shittin, one for golf ball washing
I support, it makes it fair for everyone! Everyone puts down seats, everyone puts up seats. Yay.
It’s literally cleaner / more hygienic to close the toilet completely before flushing
Malicious compliance? No, this is just basic decency
I have become a sitdown pee-r. The slashback you cant see is kinda insane
Side effect is that i have to actually use my toilet brush now because the brown water ring doesnt get washed away 9x a day anymore
everyone should put the seat fully down and flush, everytime, everyone.
I put the seat down before I shit.
Always close the toilet lid when you aren’t using it, and before you flush it. Leaving the seat open is disgusting.
Leaving the seat open is disgusting.
Why?
Flushing sprays toilet water particles everywhere
You should do this anyway to minimize particle spray upon flushing
Just turn your graphics settings down, problem solved
i do it cuz my weirdo cat wants to play in the gd toilet
Once saw an experiment using reactive dye and a toilet, they flushed it with the lid up and down. When down it sprayed out the sides, when up it literally covered the whole room.
Especially toothbrushes!!
Poop is everywhere!
https://mythresults.com/episode12
Fecal coliform were indeed found on all the test brushes, including the control ones. However, none were of a level high enough to be dangerous, and experts confirm that such bacteria are impossible to completely avoid.
I mean… impossible to avoid entirely, but still potentially good to close the lid to be on the side of cleanliness, especially when it is so trivially easy to simply close the lid to significantly reduce exposure.
Does an open lid create a terrible difference?
Quantitatively yes, very much so.
Whether that translates to any different qualitative downstream outcomes, I do not know.
No. There is poop everywhere regardless.
So that’s what gives them the taste.
At one point in my childhood I had noticed that it’s easier to keep the toilet brush clean if you brush while flushing. If everything goes well (not always) then by the end of the process you have both a clean toilet and a (mostly) poop free toilet brush.
I know it’s contained better when you close the lid first… But the wasted potential always hurts a little.
I feel like flushing with my big ass covering the seat minimizes particle spray about as well. The sides of the seat are vented and probably allow more airflow than my ass. Also, what’s the proposed work flow here? Get up, put seat down flush, wait for agitation to stop and then lift seat up again to confirm everything went down? I can’t imagine many people do this.
- Do your business
- Put lid down
- Flush.
- Assume everything went right because 21st century plumbing
I put the lid down to prevent shit particles from spreading
Also, you’re much less likely to drop something in the toilet.
But what if I want to drop, you know, a log?
that’s what it’s for. Didn’t learn that until quite recently.
Yeah I get annoyed at lids that resist movement. I have to wait for it to drop
I like them on public toilets since it minimizes the amount of time/area I need to touch anything but otherwise yes
Both seats should always be shut before flushing. The lid is there for a reason. Guys that keep the seats up have piss and shit all over their bathrooms, including their toothbrushes. I hope this horifies many of you. It really should.
Can’t believe people are arguing this with me. Hope i never find myself anywhere near yalls nasty ass bathrooms.
I need to kept my immune system well practiced.
iirc, Mythbusters confirmed that this doesn’t matter, at least in regards to shit particulates being over everything.
However, as an individual who has a bedroom right next to the bathroom, I can personally say the smell is a night and day difference between the lid being up or down before flushing.
They confirmed that it does matter, it was like a 6 meters radius of piss and shit particles with the cover open.
The immediate effects are more apparent, but the result of the study was that fecal particles will cover every inch of your house from the bathroom, lid or no lid.
But again, I still advocate vehemently for lid down. Whether it’s more or less sanitary in the long run, in the short run it freaking stinks.
Between the toothbrushes and the attempt to create a sterile salsa to find out if double dipping matters, Mythbusters taught me that it’s a filthy bacteria’s world, and we’re just living in it.
Maybe it doesn’t matter to Mythbusters, but it matters to me.
Colorado University Study would disagree.
Have you read it? They do not disagree with them the article isn’t even about that.
Not sure about toilets around the world but at least in the US, the toilets in that study are only really used in public restrooms and the like, not really in a typical home. They flush faaar more aggressively than a home toilet, like a pressure washer vs a hose, so I’m not sure it’s an exact comparison
It didn’t really show the flush pattern so I’m not 100% sure but that seemed like the standard toilet used everywhere in Australia.
When I went to the USA I found the toilets super weird and it made a lot of sense from hearing Americans talk about toilets.
Does it? It just says that particles get everywhere when you flush a lidless toilet. They didn’t compare it to a toilet with a lid, and their paper’s introduction talks about how the lid doesn’t eliminate the aerosol plume.
And even if that weren’t the case, having the lid down prevents stuff from falling in. Lids down when not in use.
And it’s a good place to sit to brush your teeth or do other toilet activities.
Joke’s on you I keep my toothbrush in the kitchen.
We do this anyway. The lid literally exists for basic hygeine purposes.
Be amazed at how less you have to clean the toilet and surrounding area by closing the lid, jeez.
Wait, closing both is malicious compliance?
I generally believe if your anatomy requires the toilet seat in a certain position, it should be incumbent upon you to ensure it’s in the right spot before you use it. 50% (ish) of people usually need it up, and 50% usually need it down, why should girls get to dictate this and complain if I don’t preemptively put it down for them? Suck it up, buttercup. Put on (or I guess take off, in this case) your big girl panties and make it work.
That being said, I’ve just always closed the whole thing before I flush anyway, so now both of us are going to need to raise at least one layer of it before we can use it again. Closed lid reduces splashing the poop particles all over the place, looks nicer and cleaner, hides any racing stripes you haven’t managed to pee off yet, etc. Just seems like the right way to go. Nothing malicious about it.
Edit: Jesus fuck, how many stupid gotcha replies are y’all gonna post here?! Yes, I am very clear on the fact that there isn’t exactly a 50.000000:50.000000 split of males to females in the world. Yes, I am very clear that it is in fact possible, and sometimes preferred, for men to sit to pee, and that, having done it more than a few times myself, they also occasionally need to sit down to poop. Should I have said “want” instead of “need”? Eh, probably. None of that was anywhere near my point.
My point is that if you want or need the toilet seat in a particular position, that’s on you, bucko. It’s not my job to stage the toilet to your preference, regardless of what is or isn’t going on in your undercarriage. I leave it 100% closed, seat and lid, every time, before I flush. Others may leave it in different positions. I don’t know, I’m not them. Either way, if you want/need it a certain way, it’s on you to put it that way, ideally before the pee starts coming out.
~50% of people are capable of using it while standing, that doesn’t mean all want to. I’ve heard a fair number of men rag on men who won’t sit on their own toilet and splash piss everywhere, since it just makes a mess you have to clean up. So the math is actually tipped more in favor of sitters, who make up a non-zero proportion of people who are able to pee while standing, plus everyone who’s obligated to pee while sitting.
I think it’s weird to care about lifting the lid, but leaving it up shows you left it open while it flushed and that’s kinda gross to a lot of people.
People who pee standing are banned from my house. I don’t even care if they’re willing to sit, I’m not taking the risk, specially if there will be alcohol involved and they could forget it and make a mess on my bathroom.
How do you go about regulating this?
I just don’t invite people to my home until I’m reasonably convinced they sit to pee. Usually if it comes up in a conversation and they say it, I’m not sneaking behind bathroom doors to hear them peeing if that’s what you thought. And if my bathroom is a mess after someone came to my house for the first time, they’re not getting invited again. Never happened though.
Bro you sound like a real life Seinfeld character. I feel like you need a crocheted sign in your loo that says “stand to piss, you get the dis” or “sit to pee, you’re alright with me”
They 100% sneak around to listen to their guests pee.
Unless men have started to shit standing up, it’s not 50/50
usually
(ish)
Yes, I know.
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Their logic is predicated on a 50/50 split that is not 50/50.
Use a little logic and you will find more people enjoy talking with you
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You don’t have to count people to know that men do not shit standing up. Therefore, it’s not a 50/50 split of standing vs sitting.
Now, time to decide whether to back off on the name-calling or act like a toddler and double-down. Your choice, I suppose.
50% (ish) of people usually need it up,
…you stand to shit?
Never need the seat up unless cleaning, can sit to urinate.
Imho it’s very easy. One stands in front of a pissoir and one sits on a toilet seat.
“Oh but I only want to piss”
You wouldn’t pedal your car, only because you want to go 1 km. You pedal your bike, because it’s made that way and you use the gas in your car.Analogies don’t prove anything.
This is me as well.
But I might fall in when it’s dark at night!
Then…check before sitting down…?
Like what do they think guys do? We just go in and whip out our dicks and piss all over the seat without checking? Or if we go in to shit, we don’t first check before sitting down?
It’s always been the stupidest argument from the “lid down” side.
Edit: for the record, I live alone but I prefer putting both down. It just looks better and it doubles as a seat.
My rant today is just for the people (men and women, alike; not all women hold that view so I don’t direct it at every woman either) who make that argument as to why the seat must be down.
I grew up in a household with nightlights in the bathroom - enough light to see what you need to see, but not so bright that it screws up your night vision. Today I live alone and don’t have to worry about the seat being left up, but I still got a nightlight because it’s just practical.
For the record, I agree. I grew up in a household with all boys (the only girls were me and my mom, but I shared a bathroom with my three brothers) and I’ve never once fell into a toilet because a seat was left up. Yes, the seats got left up, I just put it down and moved on.
Now, if people could replace the toilet paper when it runs out…
That’s very rational, and night lights make the best sense in a bathroom, honestly.
My beef is just that absolutely dumb argument of “I might fall in!” Then check before sitting down like everyone else does! Lol
It’s up there with “girl math” and “I’m just a girl” that makes me feel annoyed as a response for not following common sense/doing the responsible thing.
I think the seat + lid down makes the best sense of all since it looks cleaner and doubles as a seat. I also have a cover on my lid so it matches the rugs.
I love how passionately you’re arguing a moot point.
If you’re gonna do something, do it with gusto.
Sex split isn’t actually 50:50, there’s more men than women.
There’s more annoying people like you on reddit, too. But here we are.
Tough crowd I see. Just wanted to post a random factoid. Yeah, it’s not even half a % difference but still a useless fact.
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Yes, I know.
Damn your soul to eternal hell for not counting every single man and woman on the planet just for this comment!!
I’m so sorry, I tried, but I lost count once I ran out of fingers.
Yes, one person wanted it to be easier to use the bathroom and instead it’s now challenging for both people
Yes, hygiene is challenging! Welcome to being an adult!
I would be ecstatic if my SO did this. Our cats are prone to playing with the water.
