Before we go too hard into the “um, actually” responses, this was pretty obviously a reaction to Hegseth’s “prayer for violence.”
I’ll take any sort of help we can get against that idiot and his gang of idiots’ illegal war.
Religion can be fine. It is and always has been the idiots who ruin shit, just like with everything. I have churches around me that help the community, are open to all sorts of people. So the leader of one of the largest churches finally doing what he can to denounce nonsense is a step in the right direction for sure.
Unfortunately, the idiots will most certainly be heard.
Was he sitting on his solid gold jewel-encrusted throne when he said this? Just wondering.
Fun factoid: Catholic church owns more land than any other organization on Earth, almost 180 million acres. They acquired unknown thousands of acres through warfare and murder
This is our God: Jesus, King of Peace, who rejects war, whom no one can use to justify war"
I don’t get it
Shouldn’t the pope read the Bible? In Revelation, Jesus comes back and murders everybody
FWIW, 180 million acres is about 728 000 sq km,
which is bigger than Texas.
I love you Leo but these leaders couldn’t care less about god. Perhaps a better twist would “Leaders who wage wars are antichrists on Earth”?
The leaders don’t care but a lot of the people who voted for them allegedly do.
Every US president in the last 35 years has bombed the middle east.
That only takes us to 1991.
Reagan bombed Libya, and IIUC, Carter tried a rescue mission in Iran.
Sad-funny part is that it was in the name of “bringing the armageddon” alongside money.
There was decaded of propoganda calling all forms of self-defense “just religious extremism” and we find out it was mostly projection.
[] Leo said. "He revealed the gentle face of God, who always rejects violence.
I think my Bible might be faulty
The Israelites were YAHWEH’s special people, so when they are oppressed it’s bad, but they are obligated to genocide anyone that stands in their way. Even babies and animals.
This should sound familiar even you have never read a line of a Bible or Torah.
No no no. That was the Old Testament which doesn’t count anymore.
The New Testament is the one that we care about (except we’ve we don’t)
New Testament Jesus comes back from the dead and murders everybody on earth who won’t bow to Him.
Because God’s absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense.
I mean, that’s not wild on it’s face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships.
I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers).
Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day.
And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again.
It makes sense historically
Where is he getting that information, exactly? Can this be independently verified?
Big f—ing /s on this one…
Ok based af of him
Also I’m wondering what the bets are like on how long it takes Vance to kill him
He probably knows better than to shake hands with Vance, curse or not.
The position of Pope has been used to send many people to their death primarily in the middle ages. Julius II was called the Warrior Pope, he was the first and only pontiff to command and lead a papal army into battle. 1503 - 1513 and then there were the Crusades
Fictional characters don’t matter
What are you talking about?
… Leo isn’t fictional.
The pope is a hoax and always has been
There is no Easter Bunny, there is no Tooth Fairy, and there is no Pope of Catholicism.
so does that mean Catholic teaching changes over time ? Because to my knowledge, the crusader were motivated by the Pope speeches !
Remember the ban on ranged weaponry?
To keep it short: yes. That’s the point of a pope and a church.
Yes, it does.
It does, and will continue to do so.
The bishops responsible for ejecting the Pope are likely aware of this, and is by in large why Leo was chosen. The church really doesn’t get to set the cultural trend as much as nudge it in a particular direction. It’s the bumpers in a bowling alley, not the ball.
People are going to find something they don’t like,then seek justification for not liking it.
Two dudes fuckin, ew! I would never do that that’s so gross. Oh look, here’s this passage in this book I like saying that’s actually evil! Hell yeah!
When it looks like ‘Christians’ cherry pick passages to support whatever nonsense they’re on about, that’s because they are, always have done so and always will. Because the nonsense was always more important to them than the Bible. It just so happens that the Bible says a lot of shit that’s very easy to take out of context to support whatever nonsense you want.
The Pope is reading the room, and providing justification. Or rather, the Cardinals elected a Pope that aligns with the current climate and he’s just saying whatever
God tells him tocomes to mind. He might swing a few people but if he pushes too hard what he’ll just alienate some Catholics and they might break off and do their own thing, again.I think you meant to say ‘electing the pope’ instead of ‘ejecting the pope’?
I did. But ejecting the Pope is a funny image so it stays.
I move to install an ejection seat in the Popemobile.
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Kind of yeah, one of the reasons for the pope existing. That’s why they keep doing the whole voting thing
I still don’t understand how you can elect a holy man. All i can think of is Moses creating campaign ads
Not catholic myself so take it with a bucket of salt, but i always figured it was because it was all the holy dudes doing the voting. Sacred by osmosis or something
College of Cardinals gather to vote on who replaces the Pope. No one over 80 is allowed to vote.
Lmfao bring this age restriction everywhere else
So voting puts you in the wrong mindset. Think of it more as consensus decision making of a group of bishops who have the special honor of being the ones who get to vote on this (that’s the only official difference between a regular bishop and a cardinal), but with everyone secluded to prevent campaigning or discussing their votes.
Theologically this is supposed to ensure that everyone ignores politics and spends the days praying to try to figure out who their god wants.
Practically this does what good consensus aims to do and generally gets someone everyone can live with. Francis was generally seen as pretty radical, but everyone seemed to understand that Benedict had gone very poorly and that the church needed increased modernization and appeals to the international community. The fear last year was that a far right cardinal would be chosen to try to halt the rising schism in the church, but instead Leo was chosen as someone who had been in Francis’s camp but was seen as more moderate.
And yeah, because of the isolation at conclave they’re supposed to be incapable of campaigning. In reality, as the pope gets older and sicker you start seeing increased campaigning from cardinals and by the time the pope dies it’s known who the main candidates are. Upsets can still happen, especially if the main candidates are all unacceptable to another faction, but we knew Leo was a possibility when Francis died.
As I recall, only the first Crusade was endorsed by a Pope. And no, the teachings don’t change, though the way things are phrased varies based on culture.
Being an American and a good Christian is contradictory. Look at how it started in America, forced conversions of native American children and that was just of what we know of it, at least here in America.
Congrats on the dumbest thing I’ve read today, and I’ve read quotes from Trump today!
“Based on where you are born, you can’t be a good person.” That’s literally what you are saying.
You: “Being Chinese and a good driver is contradictory.”
You: “Being African and a smart student is contradictory.”
Being an American and a good person is contradictory, what with the numerous genocides throughout her history and all, that being one of them.
I get what you’re saying but it’s hard to lay blame on a modern person for some shit a related group of people did 150 years ago. That’s like saying it’s impossible to be Irish and a good Catholic, what with the child slavery prisons, which are far more recent. Or that is impossible to be a Muslim and a good person, what with the things other Muslims have done in the name of God.
You’re responsible for you. Other people are responsible for themselves. Unless you happen to believe that every person is responsible for the sins of his father. Which, weirdly enough the Catholic Church does, but didn’t happen to be involved in that particular genocide.
Also, counterpoint, Mr Rogers. American, Christian, good person. Or Jimmy Carter.
It’s almost like putting general groups of people into stereotypical categories makes it easy to hate and blame and keep us divided.
I wonder who stands to benefit the most from that.
In a manner of speaking, this is correct. A Christian’s home is in Heaven, they simply travel here as immigrants.
That’s just original sin talk. Also, Leo is American. For an American to be a good Christian takes extra work, “it’s not my fault but it is my responsibility” and whatnot, but I’ve met Americans who are good Christians, and yeah they’re involved in attempting to right the wrongs that can be righted here
they are would actually be praying to demonic forces.
Lol American Catholics don’t listen to the pope
To a degree. When he visits the States, that shit gets wall to wall coverage. It’s pathetic.
The only good thing they ever did
This comment is entirely clueless to the nature of the American Catholics. The US would be in a much more neutral political position if the American Catholics actually followed the pope’s lead.
It’s good that they go to Protestant mega churches with AI Kirk instead.
Why are you idiots upvoting what the ceo of a bigot and homophobic cult said?
Because he’s the voice of the largest denomination in the US and he’s the head of the vice president’s religion and loudly condemning him.
I don’t love the church, I left it over the homophobia, misogyny, and transphobia. But I recognize how influential the pope is and that his preaching may be able to reduce how fucked my country is right now.
I don’t believe Catholicism is the biggest denomination in the US
It is, by a pretty wide margin. While many more people identify as Protestant, they’re split among dozens of denominations. I haven’t seen recent stats but in 2015 they were about 20% of the US. For comparison, the Southern Baptist Convention was the second largest at about 5.3%
Unless you lump all protestants together it is by a lot at least according to the first link I found. They make up a little over a quarter of American Christians.
Lol, who says the leaders who wage wars even pray?
I think the Pope was responding to this:
Peter’s no leader. I doubt anyone would willingly follow him for anything.
