The bishops responsible for ejecting the Pope are likely aware of this, and is by in large why Leo was chosen. The church really doesn’t get to set the cultural trend as much as nudge it in a particular direction. It’s the bumpers in a bowling alley, not the ball.
People are going to find something they don’t like,then seek justification for not liking it.
Two dudes fuckin, ew! I would never do that that’s so gross. Oh look, here’s this passage in this book I like saying that’s actually evil! Hell yeah!
When it looks like ‘Christians’ cherry pick passages to support whatever nonsense they’re on about, that’s because they are, always have done so and always will. Because the nonsense was always more important to them than the Bible. It just so happens that the Bible says a lot of shit that’s very easy to take out of context to support whatever nonsense you want.
The Pope is reading the room, and providing justification. Or rather, the Cardinals elected a Pope that aligns with the current climate and he’s just saying whatever God tells him to comes to mind. He might swing a few people but if he pushes too hard what he’ll just alienate some Catholics and they might break off and do their own thing, again.
Motion carries. All opposed say : ic̷̢̧̡̡̡͉̩̠̤̻̠̠͇̳̝̹͎͚͙̖͉̳͓̦̳̰̳͒̓̐̆͋͒̌̿͒̈̅̾̑͋̂͒͐̇̑̄̄̏͗̃͒̍͂͆̍̈́͗͊̚̚̚͜͝͠͝͝ķ̷̨̨̢̛̻͇͎̰͉̤͇̳͍̫̰̣̘͇̮̱̠̖̞̤̭̩̮͍̬̼̱̝̝͎͕͖͉͎̱͍̣̺̯̣̜̭̝͎̙̞̉̈́̽͌̒͒̑̾̈̾̈́͛́̉̉̄̔̽̍͆̆̏̉̈́̆̽̈́̋̾̊̒̚̕̚̕̕̕͜͜ͅy̶̢̨̡̧̢̧̲̘͎̺̳̘̘͓̟͍̼̬̦̗̜̠̰̖̙̠͕͖̫̪̦͓̖̯̞͌̂͌̐͂̎̏̐͂̓̃͐͑͗̄͌̽̑̒̏̂̌͐̍̔̃̉͜͝i̴̧̡̨̨̢͈͔͖̳̣͙̭͈̖̯̭̬̩̫̼̟̮͍̤͕̫̹̭͔͇̣̥̱̗̩̘̼̖̯͆̾̃̈́̃̒̾͗͒̿̚͜͠c̵̝̞̞͌̾̉́́̏͛͆́̃̈́̒͂͒́͌̐̊͆͂͑̓̈́̄͒̑̽̈́̇̎͂͑̓̽̾̽͋̐̾͗̌̚͝͝͝͝k̸̢̢̡̧̘͕̘͇͔̲̬͓͙̝̺͙͙̩̮̹̼̺͕͓͇̭̣̬̭̫͓͙̞̖̭̱̖̮͓̤͋͊̆͛̃́́̎̉̕͜ͅy̷̨͍̙͓̦̦̳̗̲͇͈̞͙̮͕͎̯̝̼̩̰͔͓͓̥̤͍̤̙͇̣̓͗̽͛̈́͆̈́̍̔́̿͊̈́́̎̀̌̐̿̂͗̐̎͑͝͝ͅͅb̸̢̨̨̨̢̼̮͈̙̟̠̹̞̲̯̳̙̤̮̲͓̹̰̠̬̥̲̟̤̖̳͓͚̻̯̬̤̙̥̘̟̐̓́́̈́̔͌̾͂̒̂̈͒͌̀̌̌̅̂̇̆͑̆̆̑̊͌̕͜͠͠ͅų̸̨̨̨̢̨̡̛̛͇̪̯͙͔̠͕͓̬̳̖͉͙̪̦̤̦̘͕͈̯̣͔̣̱̯̫̳̥̫͔̗̼̼̠̣̳̠̤̫̫̻͚͕̠̘̐̓̃͐̿̇̔̑̒̈́́̓͆̈̄̈̏̆͛̐̾̄͌̀͂̐̓͘͘͝͝͝ͅm̶̨̧̨̡͕͇̜̦͓͈̦̗̘̭͎̪͓͇͎̻̼̰̼͖̰͉̙͎̼̹͉̭͎̫̻̯͕̯͙̭͇̗͔̦̜̼͗͐͛̑̀͊̒̊̃͒̓͐̌͊̿̾̑͆̕͜͜͠ͅp̴̢͒̈́̑̔̈́̒̃͗̾̀̓̀̇́̃̑̌̈́̓́̾̅̃̂͗͗̅̀̐͗̈̃̚͠͝ͅi̷̧̧̨̡̢̡̢̧̛̛̗̲͈̮̬͉̞͉̮͚̱̦̻͙͉̗͈̜͙̦̱̱̱͈̣͕̞̰̮̼̦̯͍̜̭̻͙̩̻̯̠̮̦͑̃̓̂̐̈́̈́͂̎̎̽̒̎̇̾͋͋̓̂͋̇̿̕͘͘͘͘͜͜͠͠͝͝ͅċ̸̢̨̢̛̗̙̪͖͓̭̠͚̯͉̣̣̪̲͇̠̩̗̞̺͉̦̲͚͔̖̞̳̫͕̠̋̽̽̈́͆̅̈́͂̎͂͗̏͊̄̈́̈́͛̆̀̔̉̀͐̌͊̈͋͆͊̓̇͑̏͗̌͌̏̌̓͌͘͘̕̚͠͝͝͠͠ͅͅä̷̡̡̤̣͍̮͔̠̫̣̜̙̪͓̖͎́̔͛̌̀̍̎̈͛̍̋͋̉̂͌̇͛̒͌̓̓̕͘͝i̶̻͚̲͋̈n̸̨̘̲̲̹̜̘͙̬̝̱̙͍̱͔͍͋͆̈́͛̔̐̓̓́͊̊́̀̃̔̒̋̄̐͌̀̍̅͘͘͠ḯ̸̧͍̥̞̝̲͔͇͔͓͙̳̱̥̖̭͉͓̥̱͓͍͛̎͂̈̄͋͗̈̌̃̑͊̋̓̎̈͘̚͝͠ͅͅẁ̵̛̟̠̳̭͇̮̻̥̱̘̙̬̝͍̞̭̤̻̈́̔̍̐͛̊̈́̿̏̂͌͌̃͂͋͒͋͆͌̓̂̀̌̆̓̾̂́̅͋̅̏͂̑̍̄͌̒̍͜͠͠͝͠o̴̧̫̦̍̓̋͝p̵̢̧̨̨̢̢̢̩͈̺̠̞͍̺̪̦̱͖̬̞̬͔̲̝̞̝̣̫͉̳͎̙̬͖̰̘̀́͆̎̒̈̅̈́̾͊̃͋̊̔̿͒͋̀̐́̊̀̊̃͑̈́̓͗̽̄͆̓͆́́̎̍̋͂͑̃̋́̂̀͂̕͜͝ͅ
Not catholic myself so take it with a bucket of salt, but i always figured it was because it was all the holy dudes doing the voting. Sacred by osmosis or something
So voting puts you in the wrong mindset. Think of it more as consensus decision making of a group of bishops who have the special honor of being the ones who get to vote on this (that’s the only official difference between a regular bishop and a cardinal), but with everyone secluded to prevent campaigning or discussing their votes.
Theologically this is supposed to ensure that everyone ignores politics and spends the days praying to try to figure out who their god wants.
Practically this does what good consensus aims to do and generally gets someone everyone can live with. Francis was generally seen as pretty radical, but everyone seemed to understand that Benedict had gone very poorly and that the church needed increased modernization and appeals to the international community. The fear last year was that a far right cardinal would be chosen to try to halt the rising schism in the church, but instead Leo was chosen as someone who had been in Francis’s camp but was seen as more moderate.
And yeah, because of the isolation at conclave they’re supposed to be incapable of campaigning. In reality, as the pope gets older and sicker you start seeing increased campaigning from cardinals and by the time the pope dies it’s known who the main candidates are. Upsets can still happen, especially if the main candidates are all unacceptable to another faction, but we knew Leo was a possibility when Francis died.
As I recall, only the first Crusade was endorsed by a Pope. And no, the teachings don’t change, though the way things are phrased varies based on culture.
so does that mean Catholic teaching changes over time ? Because to my knowledge, the crusader were motivated by the Pope speeches !
Remember the ban on ranged weaponry?
To keep it short: yes. That’s the point of a pope and a church.
Yes, it does.
It does, and will continue to do so.
The bishops responsible for ejecting the Pope are likely aware of this, and is by in large why Leo was chosen. The church really doesn’t get to set the cultural trend as much as nudge it in a particular direction. It’s the bumpers in a bowling alley, not the ball.
People are going to find something they don’t like,then seek justification for not liking it.
When it looks like ‘Christians’ cherry pick passages to support whatever nonsense they’re on about, that’s because they are, always have done so and always will. Because the nonsense was always more important to them than the Bible. It just so happens that the Bible says a lot of shit that’s very easy to take out of context to support whatever nonsense you want.
The Pope is reading the room, and providing justification. Or rather, the Cardinals elected a Pope that aligns with the current climate and he’s just saying whatever
God tells him tocomes to mind. He might swing a few people but if he pushes too hard what he’ll just alienate some Catholics and they might break off and do their own thing, again.I think you meant to say ‘electing the pope’ instead of ‘ejecting the pope’?
I did. But ejecting the Pope is a funny image so it stays.
I move to install an ejection seat in the Popemobile.
Motion carries. All opposed say : ic̷̢̧̡̡̡͉̩̠̤̻̠̠͇̳̝̹͎͚͙̖͉̳͓̦̳̰̳͒̓̐̆͋͒̌̿͒̈̅̾̑͋̂͒͐̇̑̄̄̏͗̃͒̍͂͆̍̈́͗͊̚̚̚͜͝͠͝͝ķ̷̨̨̢̛̻͇͎̰͉̤͇̳͍̫̰̣̘͇̮̱̠̖̞̤̭̩̮͍̬̼̱̝̝͎͕͖͉͎̱͍̣̺̯̣̜̭̝͎̙̞̉̈́̽͌̒͒̑̾̈̾̈́͛́̉̉̄̔̽̍͆̆̏̉̈́̆̽̈́̋̾̊̒̚̕̚̕̕̕͜͜ͅy̶̢̨̡̧̢̧̲̘͎̺̳̘̘͓̟͍̼̬̦̗̜̠̰̖̙̠͕͖̫̪̦͓̖̯̞͌̂͌̐͂̎̏̐͂̓̃͐͑͗̄͌̽̑̒̏̂̌͐̍̔̃̉͜͝i̴̧̡̨̨̢͈͔͖̳̣͙̭͈̖̯̭̬̩̫̼̟̮͍̤͕̫̹̭͔͇̣̥̱̗̩̘̼̖̯͆̾̃̈́̃̒̾͗͒̿̚͜͠c̵̝̞̞͌̾̉́́̏͛͆́̃̈́̒͂͒́͌̐̊͆͂͑̓̈́̄͒̑̽̈́̇̎͂͑̓̽̾̽͋̐̾͗̌̚͝͝͝͝k̸̢̢̡̧̘͕̘͇͔̲̬͓͙̝̺͙͙̩̮̹̼̺͕͓͇̭̣̬̭̫͓͙̞̖̭̱̖̮͓̤͋͊̆͛̃́́̎̉̕͜ͅy̷̨͍̙͓̦̦̳̗̲͇͈̞͙̮͕͎̯̝̼̩̰͔͓͓̥̤͍̤̙͇̣̓͗̽͛̈́͆̈́̍̔́̿͊̈́́̎̀̌̐̿̂͗̐̎͑͝͝ͅͅb̸̢̨̨̨̢̼̮͈̙̟̠̹̞̲̯̳̙̤̮̲͓̹̰̠̬̥̲̟̤̖̳͓͚̻̯̬̤̙̥̘̟̐̓́́̈́̔͌̾͂̒̂̈͒͌̀̌̌̅̂̇̆͑̆̆̑̊͌̕͜͠͠ͅų̸̨̨̨̢̨̡̛̛͇̪̯͙͔̠͕͓̬̳̖͉͙̪̦̤̦̘͕͈̯̣͔̣̱̯̫̳̥̫͔̗̼̼̠̣̳̠̤̫̫̻͚͕̠̘̐̓̃͐̿̇̔̑̒̈́́̓͆̈̄̈̏̆͛̐̾̄͌̀͂̐̓͘͘͝͝͝ͅm̶̨̧̨̡͕͇̜̦͓͈̦̗̘̭͎̪͓͇͎̻̼̰̼͖̰͉̙͎̼̹͉̭͎̫̻̯͕̯͙̭͇̗͔̦̜̼͗͐͛̑̀͊̒̊̃͒̓͐̌͊̿̾̑͆̕͜͜͠ͅp̴̢͒̈́̑̔̈́̒̃͗̾̀̓̀̇́̃̑̌̈́̓́̾̅̃̂͗͗̅̀̐͗̈̃̚͠͝ͅi̷̧̧̨̡̢̡̢̧̛̛̗̲͈̮̬͉̞͉̮͚̱̦̻͙͉̗͈̜͙̦̱̱̱͈̣͕̞̰̮̼̦̯͍̜̭̻͙̩̻̯̠̮̦͑̃̓̂̐̈́̈́͂̎̎̽̒̎̇̾͋͋̓̂͋̇̿̕͘͘͘͘͜͜͠͠͝͝ͅċ̸̢̨̢̛̗̙̪͖͓̭̠͚̯͉̣̣̪̲͇̠̩̗̞̺͉̦̲͚͔̖̞̳̫͕̠̋̽̽̈́͆̅̈́͂̎͂͗̏͊̄̈́̈́͛̆̀̔̉̀͐̌͊̈͋͆͊̓̇͑̏͗̌͌̏̌̓͌͘͘̕̚͠͝͝͠͠ͅͅä̷̡̡̤̣͍̮͔̠̫̣̜̙̪͓̖͎́̔͛̌̀̍̎̈͛̍̋͋̉̂͌̇͛̒͌̓̓̕͘͝i̶̻͚̲͋̈n̸̨̘̲̲̹̜̘͙̬̝̱̙͍̱͔͍͋͆̈́͛̔̐̓̓́͊̊́̀̃̔̒̋̄̐͌̀̍̅͘͘͠ḯ̸̧͍̥̞̝̲͔͇͔͓͙̳̱̥̖̭͉͓̥̱͓͍͛̎͂̈̄͋͗̈̌̃̑͊̋̓̎̈͘̚͝͠ͅͅẁ̵̛̟̠̳̭͇̮̻̥̱̘̙̬̝͍̞̭̤̻̈́̔̍̐͛̊̈́̿̏̂͌͌̃͂͋͒͋͆͌̓̂̀̌̆̓̾̂́̅͋̅̏͂̑̍̄͌̒̍͜͠͠͝͠o̴̧̫̦̍̓̋͝p̵̢̧̨̨̢̢̢̩͈̺̠̞͍̺̪̦̱͖̬̞̬͔̲̝̞̝̣̫͉̳͎̙̬͖̰̘̀́͆̎̒̈̅̈́̾͊̃͋̊̔̿͒͋̀̐́̊̀̊̃͑̈́̓͗̽̄͆̓͆́́̎̍̋͂͑̃̋́̂̀͂̕͜͝ͅ
Kind of yeah, one of the reasons for the pope existing. That’s why they keep doing the whole voting thing
I still don’t understand how you can elect a holy man. All i can think of is Moses creating campaign ads
Not catholic myself so take it with a bucket of salt, but i always figured it was because it was all the holy dudes doing the voting. Sacred by osmosis or something
College of Cardinals gather to vote on who replaces the Pope. No one over 80 is allowed to vote.
Lmfao bring this age restriction everywhere else
So voting puts you in the wrong mindset. Think of it more as consensus decision making of a group of bishops who have the special honor of being the ones who get to vote on this (that’s the only official difference between a regular bishop and a cardinal), but with everyone secluded to prevent campaigning or discussing their votes.
Theologically this is supposed to ensure that everyone ignores politics and spends the days praying to try to figure out who their god wants.
Practically this does what good consensus aims to do and generally gets someone everyone can live with. Francis was generally seen as pretty radical, but everyone seemed to understand that Benedict had gone very poorly and that the church needed increased modernization and appeals to the international community. The fear last year was that a far right cardinal would be chosen to try to halt the rising schism in the church, but instead Leo was chosen as someone who had been in Francis’s camp but was seen as more moderate.
And yeah, because of the isolation at conclave they’re supposed to be incapable of campaigning. In reality, as the pope gets older and sicker you start seeing increased campaigning from cardinals and by the time the pope dies it’s known who the main candidates are. Upsets can still happen, especially if the main candidates are all unacceptable to another faction, but we knew Leo was a possibility when Francis died.
As I recall, only the first Crusade was endorsed by a Pope. And no, the teachings don’t change, though the way things are phrased varies based on culture.