What can be done about these terrible click-bait “news” headlines? It’s just terrible. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I’d like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.
Maybe there is a news instance that doesn’t allow this. I’ll be outside shouting at clouds.
For the people who didn’t read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump’s comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.
Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.
This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn’t want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don’t want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;
- Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
- Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
- Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.
As I’ve noted elsewhere, this war isn’t remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC’s iron grip on US politics is the main event.
- trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.
Stupid headlines
Annoyingly, it’s technically accurate, but extremely misleading.
If I say my friend died after eating at Arby’s, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn’t die before eating at Arby’s. But there’s an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.
The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.
A forever war, then?
We have ways been at war with Eastasia.
West Asia
Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they’ll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they’re leaning, at least for now.
I had thought all this time that he and others had never even publicly entertained the idea of breaking with Israel on policy due to a combination of a steady stream of bribes and a dossier of compromising information on many prominent figures with the implicit threat of intentional leak.
I guess we might be about to see if that was true!
My bet is on 1. I don’t see a way for 3 to happen and 1 is a better outcome for Iran than 2.
It makes sense for Iran to sacrifice Lebanon now and use their control over the strait to pressure other countries to stop supporting Israel. They will not defeat Israel now but if this deal is implemented they have a chance to do it in the future.
Hard disagree. Right now I give 1 less than about a 5% chance. Iran have repeatedly demonstrated that they fully believe they have the US by the balls (they’re right). And Iran stakes a lot of their regional power on their control over groups like Hezbollah. Abandoning one of them would be a huge blow. They’re not going to resort to that unless they get desperate, and currently they’re as far from desperate as they could possibly be. They have no reason to back down on this and plenty to lose by doing so. The only way that math changes is if Trump pulls out some crazy left field move to radically reshape the power balance. I don’t think he’s capable of that.
So what do you think will happen? The strait is closed permanently?
Not the OP, but I think this issue will continue to rise in temperature until it is more heavily influential on US domestic politics. I believe at some point, support of Israel on these recent events will become politically suicidal, and slowly the compromised politicians rendered unable to break with Israel will get drummed out of office by primary or normal election.
Then, US will officially drop support and the math in the middle east gets a lot less complex for them.
Nah, it’s forever war. That is the reason for this, not the stated ones, Israel is using it’s epstein blackmail to keep war going for domestic political purposes. War is fun when you have overwhelming technological superiority and unlimited money.
That’s certainly Israel’s goal.
That said, Trump and Vance have now both progressed to openly threatening Israel in public, which suggests that either Israel haven’t fully played their hand yet, aren’t holding as much as we think, or have too much to lose from any blackmail material getting out in the open. Keep in mind that Epstein being an Israeli political operative cuts both ways; I’m sure there’s a lot in those files that could seriously damage Israel if it got out. If it were publicly known that they were, say, trafficking children for political favour with US politicians, that’s the sort of thing that could be really bad for them. Not saying that happened, but we’ve not got much reason to believe it didn’t at this point.
If Israel had enough usable blackmail on Trump and his crew to get their way here, I think we’d already be two months into an invasion, not discussing US surrender. Why wait this long to use it if you have it?
Nah, Israel has the usuable blackmail, not just epstein stuff either to be sure. Invading Iran was never feasible, it would seriously take a million troops even for a half assed iraq style invasion, and Iran has mountains, and is 5x the size.
Israel doesn’t actually care about Iran, they are a foil for their politicians. They know they’ve been lying about them for decades, and while they do want to hurt them, that is not their reason, forever war for domestic political purposes is.
This will not end, even when it seems like it ended, it will keep on, this is forever war, and Israel is going to turn lenanon into a series of ghettos.
Israel do care about Iran. It want is fully destroyed. It thought arming some protesters and factions like the kurd would have created an civil war
No, they didn’t. They have betrayed the kurds a number of times, and knew they wouldn’t trust them, rightly so.
You are confusing what the Israelis say they are doing with what they are actually doing.
Invading Iran was never feasible, it would seriously take a million troops even for a half assed iraq style invasion, and Iran has mountains, and is 5x the size.
You’re correct, but I think what you’re missing is that this has nothing to do with the political calculus currently taking place in the White House. If they were capable of realistically assessing military threats they wouldn’t have been blindsided by Iran’s ability to strike at their military bases or by the closure of the strait. Trump truly believes that the power of the US military is infinite. What’s holding him back from an invasion isn’t a fear of losing, it’s a fear of the political cost of being seen to sign up the US to another decades long occupation.
Israel cares very much about Iran, because Iran is still a serious threat to them. They can have their forever war without Iran in the picture, they’ve got an almost unlimited supply of local adversaries to pick fights with. But Iran is currently by far the most dangerous of those allies to Israel, at least in Israel’s estimation.
I was going to take issue with the calculus term you used, but as I believe calculus is measuring the area of probability curves, it might fit. The probability curve of fucking children on tape being released.
That said, Iran is not a real threat to Israel and we all know it. Iran can’t do shit to Israel, that has overwhelming advantage. Any suggestion to the contrary is Israel playing their sheep.
To get back to the calculus, it has nothing to do with winning or stopping Iran from whatever. Why anyone would take them at their word at this point is beyond me, not the least on this issue.
I hate to be right, but this deal being bullshit was the easiest call in the world.
Tehran Surrender
Wrong.
Unconditional
Also wrong.
Conditional US Surrender
There it is.
He promised unconditional surrender, the media is saying he did not deliver that, and he looks like a bitch, which he is, and so now is just guiding his sheep and trolls and thralls to pretend he won so he doesn’t look like a bitch.
He’s not fooling anyone outside the flock though. President dickhead is a bitch. He’s Israel’s bitch.
This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:
In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.
Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: “I haven’t learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits.”
I know there are, but there are no limits.
The fuck does that mean
Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.
He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.
Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.
He is a dishonest piece of shit, so all of these can be true.
It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.
Sounds a bit like this Austrian wannabe painter. He also thought that there is no limit.
Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week
America holds the leash; Israel depends on America’s diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.
Oh. You were serious. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHA!
Israel led a successful campaign to capture political assets through a combination of blackmail, political lobbying (it’s not only AIPAC), spying through government software they sell and decades of interweaving into US defense.
The 80 year old man has the leash tied on and can’t let go
This is the smallest president we’ve ever had.
Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don’t have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.
Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.
America may hold Israel’s leash, but AIPAC holds the GOPs balls in a vice.
Remember, Trump is signing this surrender document because he sees this as the least damaging option politically.Now he’s going to have to weigh the damage of a full scale war with Iran against the damage of angering one of the most powerful political groups in America.
AIPAC have always played both sides; they’re with the GOP right now because the GOP offered full throated support of their genocide in Gaza, while the Dems only offered lukewarm support. But they’ll gladly flip to being all in on the Dems, with whom they still have very close ties, if that’s what it takes to get Trump out of power. Either that or they’ll engineer a Never-Trumper coup within the GOP. Or both.
And that’s before we even consider that Israel certainly has all the real dirt on Epstein.
Controlling Israel is easy. Controlling AIPAC is going to be the biggest political bloodbath of our lifetimes.
I think you’re underestimating the extent to which if the US establishment decides AIPAC is a problem for its own interests they can destroy its influence overnight. Especially with weakened democratic norms and checks and balances, no group, no matter how well connected can be safe from an unhinged executive acting in the name of “saving the country”. If AIPAC becomes a problem to them, if it no longer serves them, they will deal with it. Similar to how whoever doesn’t play nice with Putin meets various kinds of windows.
It is not an accident that a part of the MAGAsphere has already pivoted against Israel. And remember that the fascists have no actual solutions to anything, just an infinite progression of “purification”. They would have zero qualms about going full antisemite within the US if it suited them. And when that time comes, the Zionists will experience the actual difference between antisemitism and antizionism in practice.
The so called lukewarm support
During Biden
70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed
92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed
80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities
Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water.
75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyededit: the sources
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/01/1158741
https://www.dezeen.com/2025/01/22/gaza-housing-92-per-cent-destroyed-damaged-un-report
You have sources for this?
Thanks
Yes, exactly. But they also wrung their hands about it and cried some crocodile tears in public, which was enough to get AIPAC to fully side with the GOP.
My issue is the word lukewarm. It was not lukewarm in fact it was worse during Biden then during Trump. Both are equally responsible for the genocide regardless.
The notion that Biden more strongly supported Isreal’s genocide than Trump has is ludicrous. And that’s not a defence of Biden, it’s just a simple fact. It’s like pointing out that John Wayne Gacy killed more people than Ted Bundy. You’re still allowed to consider both of them despicable monsters.
And yes, they’re both equally responsible, but I never mentioned responsibility, did I? The point was always about who AIPAC wanted to hitch their wagon to, not who actually did what harm.
I literally gave you the data showing that Biden is worse. Biden lied about seeking a cease fire blamed Hamas for it when it was Israel who kept refusing to accept and add new terms. The term lukewarm is ridiculous whatever you apply it to Biden or Trump.
Since July, all of the sources I have spoken to confirmed that Hamas had accepted Biden’s ceasefire proposal that was endorsed by the UN Security Council, which is premised on an 18-weeks long ceasefire divided into three phases, at the end of which there would be a permanent end to the Gaza war after all hostages have been released. The same sources, as well as Israeli media, and the Egyptian mediators have consistently blamed Netanyahu for obstructing the talks and refusing to end the war. Even in the latest ongoing round of negotiations, senior Israeli security officials are sounding the alarm that their Prime Minister is still sabotaging the talks. Yet, the White House keeps insisting that Hamas is “the obstacle.”
I am tired about all the talk about Aipac too. Aipac is funded by Americans , shitty American Politicians willfully accepted being funded by them and stupid American willfully voted for them for decades
I’d unconditionally surrender if I had to change nothing and receive 300 billion.
You keep using that word…I do not think it means what you think it means.
He single handedly save the US from the jaws of success
In so many ways.
Hahahahahahahaha fucking hell
To avoid this the next version of the memorandum of understanding must have a specific clause highlighting that Trump is a little bitch.
Fucking idiot.
The remaining Orange’s
freefew brain cells did an unconditional surrender.His sphincter unconditionally surrendered a decade ago
Really makes you feel for the attempted assassins, they had a tough marksmanship challenge when trying to liberate those cells.
There weren’t any conditions left after you fulfilled them all…
I got a free banana from the store! All I had to do was give them $10 first!
I mean what can a banana cost?
Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’
