They must not have worn suits or thanked him enough but the dealbreaker was that the selection of couches was abysmal.
Does the Vice President wear a condom when he fucks a couch in another country?
USA is crazy if they still think they have any leverage.
The USA is crazy if they think Vance has any negotiating finesse.
Or…we are crazy to expect anything from this administration
The only reason Vance was there is because Iran insisted. Normally, we would never send the VP, but Iran rejected Trump’s amateur negotiating squad, Witkoff and Kushner (they’re real estate developers, not diplomats), because they wanted to deal with someone in authority. So sending Vance at their demand was already a concession on MAGA’s part. They started from a position of weakness before the negotiations even started.
The Art of the Deal, my hairy ass.
Witkoff and Kushner (they’re real estate developers, not diplomats)
And that’s being polite.
Technically, their profession is “Saudi ball-cleaner”.
I think you got what you expected by voting.for a crazy lunatic felon and peophile business man.
What did you expect from this administration?
Sorry, I voted for the guy with a PH.D in economics and a solid resume
Americans are crazy for allowing it to continue.
Europeans are trying to get to throw away our best shot at getting power back, which is a bloodbath in the Midterm election in November.
How MAGA responds to that is going to guide our actions over the next two years, until we can have a Presidential election. How MAGA responds to that will guide our actions after that.
THAT is the time table. There is no reason to short circuit that without any better plan in place. Telling the American people to “do something,” is the same as Trump telling the Iranian people to take their country back. How? By what mechanism? The only strategy that could be employed at this point would be a total abandonment of society, which would lead to anarchy, chaos, and violence. So how does THAT help the world?
We still have chance to get through this by using our laws and our Comstitution. It’s literally our last chance, but we have to try that first, before we reach the worst case scenario.
you forget who you’re talking to on Lemmy. anarchy would just magically make everything better because some russian poet wrote a witty rejoinder two hundred years ago.
Europeans are trying to get to throw away our best shot at getting power back
Ridiculous claim with no basis in reality.
I also never wrote the “people” I wrote Americans, and that includes American politicians and all the American institutions that are supposed to defend democracy. The so called democratic safeguards, like the press the courts the congress. Even within the administration they could call for article 25.You are making an incredibly stupid straw man argument.
Except that we Americans see and answer similar comments all day, every day. We are constantly asked why we don’t rise up, or we are shamed every day for not rising up.
I just explained for the millionth time that we are fighting back, but we are doing it within our system at this point, hoping we can get it done without getting too crazy.
I just explained for the millionth time that we are fighting back, but we are doing it within our system at this point,
And the system doesn’t work, which is part of the problem. And you have let Trump destroy NATO, allowed threats of invasion of allied countries (Canada and Greenland), and started an illegal war against Iran that is ruining global economy, and emboldened Putin in his war against Ukraine, against the interest of USA’s former allies. And watched in silence as Trump threaten the annihilation of an entire civilization, a threat that is only meaningful if nukes are on the table.
hoping we can get it done without getting too crazy.
It’s clearly too late now, things are far beyon too crazy already. You can wait all you want now, it probably doesn’t matter anymore, not much left for Trump to destroy.
As I have equally mentioned a thousand times here, the problem is not only the administration, it’s the fact that nothing is done, and the fact that the American population elected Trump twice. The second time well knowing he tried a coup. It shouldn’t even have been possible for him to run, but ALL checks and balanced have proven worthless, and USA is now a rogue nation, completely disrespecting both their own laws and international law.
Even attempting to illegally undermine ICC!You don’t explain shit, you may have done what you could IDK, but the problem isn’t about individuals, it’s systemic, which is why everybody hate USA now.
All of that is valid, and nobody likes a two and half year timeline to get it back on track, but having America become a dystopian wasteland, or a uber-fascist nation, aren’t the outcomes that anyone wants. That would be far worse than the current situation.
If we have the bloodbath in November that is expected, then that will blunt much of MAGA s efforts, and calm things down a bit. Then the Dems will have to control him over the next two years. That will take strong Dem leadership, which we haven’t had in a long time. The difference is that we already have a rising progressive wing that is getting more and more aggressive, and their ranks are going to swell in November.
There will be new leadership after November, and they won’t tolerate the nonsense like the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries have. Things will start to improve after November, and then we can look to 2028 for the next phase.
The only leverage the US has is having a shitton of ordnance against a world that seems apathetic to the pummeling of a non-white country.
THAT’S what’s bringing Iran to the table.
This is what gets conservative dicks hard. Not out of a pursuit of peace or stability. But out of wanting to show the world that they are powerful.
against a world that seems apathetic
I don’t think that’s 100% true, although (former) allies haven’t done much to stop USA, they have expressed that the war is illegal, and no (former) ally has done anything to really help USA and Israel.
AFAIK EU has talked about ending the EU/Israel association agreement, that is the basis for trade between EU and Israel.
I agree it’s not a lot, but it is a sign to both Israel and USA, that we distance ourselves from this war. China of course support Iran.
Words vs current action. Not future faking.
Also fuck the USA and fuck Pakistan, who just sent fighter jets to KSA.
I still don’t see any public discussion on why Israel should be allowed to have nukes, and not Iran. That is the core idea of deterrence.
Israel has so much kompromat on western politicians, that they are basically held by their balls.
Also, the US Involvement in the war is almost certainly fueled by all the shit Israel has on Turd. The Epstein files, considering Epstein was a Mossad agent, must de devastating.
Plus djt, in all his infinite wisdom, accepted a golden pager.
I understand not wanting dictatorships to have nukes. Look at North Korea for example. So far we’re good, but eventually someone that is absolutely insane could be appointed and then South Korea no longer exists. The history of the Roman Empire shows us what can go wrong,.now imagine it with nukes.
Of course the US’s democracy is off the rails too so who knows. I guess ideally the leader can change every 4 years at least. Just gotta keep them away from the nukes.
Now all that being said any country not building nukes is setting themselves up for failure. Nukes mean you have sovereignty in the modern era.
The liberal brain is fascinating. North Korea A) isn’t a dictatorship, Kim Jong-un does not have a military role, B) Got nukes to prevent what is happening to Iran happening to them again. C) Wants reunification with its stolen land more than anything. Really current 5-10-15 year plans are to finally stabilize after the US killed 25% of their population during their invasion and current occupation, but long term the goal is always reunifcation – peaceful reunification – after the Amerisraeli empire inevitably falls or at least stops devoting resources to its occupation of the southern peninsula.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Feel free to learn more about the world little one.
Shucks! I forgot that NK isn’t a dictatorship! My bad.
North Korea A) isn’t a dictatorship
Lmao
Anyway see my last paragraph for point B, a point I already made. Every nation that wants sovereignty should be building nukes because that’s the world order that’s been established.
And finally I’m not a liberal nor a tankie obviously. I know it’s hard to comprehend a 3rd option (it’s not conservative either btw).
Anti-palestine was still launching missiles during ceasefire talks btw.
But of course we can’t possibly get mad at them. It’s “antisemitic.”
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Is this an inside joke of yours?
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It’s because “antisemitic” is the correct spelling instead of being a misspelling.
The guy us playing games. Flip flopping on his own spelling
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Did the original commenter change their spelling to the correct one or are you being confusing on purpose?
Just give us your facts instead of playing games plase.
These photos will never not make me giggle.
If I had a head that looked like a beach ball with pubes, you’d probably laugh at me, too. And I’d accept it, not being a vain fool.
Vance is almost certainly demanding concessions as if Iran lost the war.
Trump and gang (and Netanyahu) want excuses to blow up more civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Also, the Sayyed already said no nukes. USA lying liars, par.
“These GODLESS, EVIL people in the Iranian REGIME couldn’t accept my simple requests and don’t want to work for peace, even though I tried very hard, everybody’s saying that. So, even though I don’t want to, we might have to SEND THEIR COUNTRY TO THE STONE AGE. Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne! Thank you for your attention to this matter. - The Big Don”
Did I do it right? 🙏
You forgot to praise Allah.
I can’t just say that ironically or mockingly, haven’t you read my username? 😅
But… Islam is monotheistic?
Blasphemy
Yeah, that’s why, I’m a Muslim man!
I thought his current sign off line was “Thank you for your attention to this matter”
And Iran didn’t say “thank you.”
If Vance writes letters, they’re probably in green ink.
Doesn’t get what he wants. Takes his ball and goes home.
Bar Iran completely caving when they have no reason to do so, this was never going to work out. Trump set Vance up to fail.
Yeah but on Monday they decided to play soccer. And then he showed up in Pakistan with a baseball.
Art of the Deal, baby.
Do you even have a suit?
The Art of Pining for the Chesterfield. Shady Vance’s head’s not in the game.
I would have thought that when the nuclear talks in 2015 needed 20 months to find an agreement, it should be possible to solve 10 problems more in 2 weeks /s
And not enough gold curtains
