The only reason Vance was there is because Iran insisted. Normally, we would never send the VP, but Iran rejected Trump’s amateur negotiating squad, Witkoff and Kushner (they’re real estate developers, not diplomats), because they wanted to deal with someone in authority. So sending Vance at their demand was already a concession on MAGA’s part. They started from a position of weakness before the negotiations even started.
Europeans are trying to get to throw away our best shot at getting power back, which is a bloodbath in the Midterm election in November.
How MAGA responds to that is going to guide our actions over the next two years, until we can have a Presidential election. How MAGA responds to that will guide our actions after that.
THAT is the time table. There is no reason to short circuit that without any better plan in place. Telling the American people to “do something,” is the same as Trump telling the Iranian people to take their country back. How? By what mechanism? The only strategy that could be employed at this point would be a total abandonment of society, which would lead to anarchy, chaos, and violence. So how does THAT help the world?
We still have chance to get through this by using our laws and our Comstitution. It’s literally our last chance, but we have to try that first, before we reach the worst case scenario.
you forget who you’re talking to on Lemmy. anarchy would just magically make everything better because some russian poet wrote a witty rejoinder two hundred years ago.
Europeans are trying to get to throw away our best shot at getting power back
Ridiculous claim with no basis in reality.
I also never wrote the “people” I wrote Americans, and that includes American politicians and all the American institutions that are supposed to defend democracy. The so called democratic safeguards, like the press the courts the congress. Even within the administration they could call for article 25.
You are making an incredibly stupid straw man argument.
Except that we Americans see and answer similar comments all day, every day. We are constantly asked why we don’t rise up, or we are shamed every day for not rising up.
I just explained for the millionth time that we are fighting back, but we are doing it within our system at this point, hoping we can get it done without getting too crazy.
I just explained for the millionth time that we are fighting back, but we are doing it within our system at this point,
And the system doesn’t work, which is part of the problem. And you have let Trump destroy NATO, allowed threats of invasion of allied countries (Canada and Greenland), and started an illegal war against Iran that is ruining global economy, and emboldened Putin in his war against Ukraine, against the interest of USA’s former allies. And watched in silence as Trump threaten the annihilation of an entire civilization, a threat that is only meaningful if nukes are on the table.
hoping we can get it done without getting too crazy.
It’s clearly too late now, things are far beyon too crazy already. You can wait all you want now, it probably doesn’t matter anymore, not much left for Trump to destroy.
As I have equally mentioned a thousand times here, the problem is not only the administration, it’s the fact that nothing is done, and the fact that the American population elected Trump twice. The second time well knowing he tried a coup. It shouldn’t even have been possible for him to run, but ALL checks and balanced have proven worthless, and USA is now a rogue nation, completely disrespecting both their own laws and international law.
Even attempting to illegally undermine ICC!
You don’t explain shit, you may have done what you could IDK, but the problem isn’t about individuals, it’s systemic, which is why everybody hate USA now.
All of that is valid, and nobody likes a two and half year timeline to get it back on track, but having America become a dystopian wasteland, or a uber-fascist nation, aren’t the outcomes that anyone wants. That would be far worse than the current situation.
If we have the bloodbath in November that is expected, then that will blunt much of MAGA s efforts, and calm things down a bit. Then the Dems will have to control him over the next two years. That will take strong Dem leadership, which we haven’t had in a long time. The difference is that we already have a rising progressive wing that is getting more and more aggressive, and their ranks are going to swell in November.
There will be new leadership after November, and they won’t tolerate the nonsense like the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries have. Things will start to improve after November, and then we can look to 2028 for the next phase.
Then the Dems will have to control him over the next two years.
Except now the Dems are accomplishes, with Schumer doing absolutely nada, he behaves like he is under the thumb of Israel. And with him it stalls Democrats from doing anything.
That’s why I said we need new leadership, and it will be imperative. You can bet your ass that the minute the Midterm is over, I’ll be contacting my reps and demanding not just new leadership in both houses, but bold and AGGRESSIVE leadership.
No more weak statements in response to atrocities. I want to see the Democratic majorities aggressively on the offense every day. Turn those strongly worded letters into subpoenas and indictments. Put MAGA on the run. Make them quit their insider trading on the advice of their expensive defense attorneys. Make them wish they’d never decided to pursue their criminal careers in the political arena.
We are in unprecedented times, and we will require unprecedented solutions. We need to support candidates and leadership who will embrace that philosophy, and not just the same old business as usual that got us here.
The USA is crazy if they think Vance has any negotiating finesse.
Or…we are crazy to expect anything from this administration
The only reason Vance was there is because Iran insisted. Normally, we would never send the VP, but Iran rejected Trump’s amateur negotiating squad, Witkoff and Kushner (they’re real estate developers, not diplomats), because they wanted to deal with someone in authority. So sending Vance at their demand was already a concession on MAGA’s part. They started from a position of weakness before the negotiations even started.
The Art of the Deal, my hairy ass.
And that’s being polite.
Technically, their profession is “Saudi ball-cleaner”.
I think you got what you expected by voting.for a crazy lunatic felon and peophile business man.
What did you expect from this administration?
Sorry, I voted for the guy with a PH.D in economics and a solid resume
Americans are crazy for allowing it to continue.
Europeans are trying to get to throw away our best shot at getting power back, which is a bloodbath in the Midterm election in November.
How MAGA responds to that is going to guide our actions over the next two years, until we can have a Presidential election. How MAGA responds to that will guide our actions after that.
THAT is the time table. There is no reason to short circuit that without any better plan in place. Telling the American people to “do something,” is the same as Trump telling the Iranian people to take their country back. How? By what mechanism? The only strategy that could be employed at this point would be a total abandonment of society, which would lead to anarchy, chaos, and violence. So how does THAT help the world?
We still have chance to get through this by using our laws and our Comstitution. It’s literally our last chance, but we have to try that first, before we reach the worst case scenario.
you forget who you’re talking to on Lemmy. anarchy would just magically make everything better because some russian poet wrote a witty rejoinder two hundred years ago.
Ridiculous claim with no basis in reality.
I also never wrote the “people” I wrote Americans, and that includes American politicians and all the American institutions that are supposed to defend democracy. The so called democratic safeguards, like the press the courts the congress. Even within the administration they could call for article 25.
You are making an incredibly stupid straw man argument.
Except that we Americans see and answer similar comments all day, every day. We are constantly asked why we don’t rise up, or we are shamed every day for not rising up.
I just explained for the millionth time that we are fighting back, but we are doing it within our system at this point, hoping we can get it done without getting too crazy.
And the system doesn’t work, which is part of the problem. And you have let Trump destroy NATO, allowed threats of invasion of allied countries (Canada and Greenland), and started an illegal war against Iran that is ruining global economy, and emboldened Putin in his war against Ukraine, against the interest of USA’s former allies. And watched in silence as Trump threaten the annihilation of an entire civilization, a threat that is only meaningful if nukes are on the table.
It’s clearly too late now, things are far beyon too crazy already. You can wait all you want now, it probably doesn’t matter anymore, not much left for Trump to destroy.
As I have equally mentioned a thousand times here, the problem is not only the administration, it’s the fact that nothing is done, and the fact that the American population elected Trump twice. The second time well knowing he tried a coup. It shouldn’t even have been possible for him to run, but ALL checks and balanced have proven worthless, and USA is now a rogue nation, completely disrespecting both their own laws and international law.
Even attempting to illegally undermine ICC!
You don’t explain shit, you may have done what you could IDK, but the problem isn’t about individuals, it’s systemic, which is why everybody hate USA now.
All of that is valid, and nobody likes a two and half year timeline to get it back on track, but having America become a dystopian wasteland, or a uber-fascist nation, aren’t the outcomes that anyone wants. That would be far worse than the current situation.
If we have the bloodbath in November that is expected, then that will blunt much of MAGA s efforts, and calm things down a bit. Then the Dems will have to control him over the next two years. That will take strong Dem leadership, which we haven’t had in a long time. The difference is that we already have a rising progressive wing that is getting more and more aggressive, and their ranks are going to swell in November.
There will be new leadership after November, and they won’t tolerate the nonsense like the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries have. Things will start to improve after November, and then we can look to 2028 for the next phase.
Except now the Dems are accomplishes, with Schumer doing absolutely nada, he behaves like he is under the thumb of Israel. And with him it stalls Democrats from doing anything.
That’s why I said we need new leadership, and it will be imperative. You can bet your ass that the minute the Midterm is over, I’ll be contacting my reps and demanding not just new leadership in both houses, but bold and AGGRESSIVE leadership.
No more weak statements in response to atrocities. I want to see the Democratic majorities aggressively on the offense every day. Turn those strongly worded letters into subpoenas and indictments. Put MAGA on the run. Make them quit their insider trading on the advice of their expensive defense attorneys. Make them wish they’d never decided to pursue their criminal careers in the political arena.
We are in unprecedented times, and we will require unprecedented solutions. We need to support candidates and leadership who will embrace that philosophy, and not just the same old business as usual that got us here.