“This war has nothing to do with NATO. It’s not NATO’s war,” Stefan Kornelius, a spokesperson for German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, told reporters in Berlin on Monday. “NATO is a defensive alliance, an alliance for the defense of its territory,” he added.
I like how Trump’s response to this is a petulant “well we don’t need you anyway, so there!”
Europe needs to seriously up it’s arms manufacturing though.
The response from everyone else should be, “Why would we join a war that’s already been won?”
Give him his own bloviating bullshit back, served up nice and cold.
I think Boris Pistorius was on point:
“What does Trump expect from a handful of European frigates that the powerful US navy cannot do?”
Once their ships show up, the Navy can dip and leave the mess to someone else. He can just move on to the next country on his list
Berlin said NEIN!
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Please, sleep alone in the bed you shat in.
Why do you have to kick Netanyahu out of his bed?
Well, it’s not like he can get up out of the bed himself anymore lol.
It feels a lot like Trump shits and then asks us to wipe his ass clean.
“I would also like to remind you that the U.S. and Israel did not consult us before the war, and that Washington explicitly stated at the start of the war that European assistance was neither necessary nor desired,” Kornelius said.
That paragraph alone, I must frame it.
“but…but…usually when I fuck things up someone sorts it out for me. Why won’t you fix my massive fuck up?”
You’re almost
eighteighty. Soon you’ll beone of the big boysdead.
Good answer. Fuck Benjamin and Donald Ducks war. They don’t even know why they did it. NATO is not for undocumented wars.
Ah. You don’t know about the Mossad CIA operation that started in the 80s and is still running today. You see Epstein and Maxwell gathered blackmail on the most rich in powerful people in the world. Israel is now using that blackmail trove and intelligence gathered from years of selling governments software to expand Israel into “Greater Israel”.
Did you also miss Ghislaine being invite on the 9/11 shadow council?
In fairness, they know exactly why they did it:
For The Idiot: Israel needs our help to stop the 40-something-year-old “imminent” threat of an Iranian nuclear bomb (that was supposedly already stopped earlier last year when we “thoroughly destroyed” thir enrichment labs."
For Bibi, it’s an opportunity to realize Israel’s version of manifest destiny, and to kill people he doesn’t like. Remember how everyone was all, “Boy I hope W doesn’t go nuclear on the middle east” after 9/11? 10/7 has had the same effect on Bibi, except he was predisposed for the merciless violence. He’s never seen these adversaries as “people.” W rarely thought about them at all.
It’s about two fascist leaders making desperate plays to stay in power. That’s it.
Also isn’t there pending corruption charges against him that are constantly put on hold because they are at war?
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This is how you stop nukes
President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement in 2018. He broke his 2016 campaign promise to renegotiate the agreement.
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Oh wow looking at your other comments are you by chance a teenage male, maybe early 20s? Because you very much read like an angry highschool student with big strong oppions based on very little reading and no concept of strategy.
Why kill a entire country when removing one guy is enough ? If the trump dictatorship felt Iran would be more open for a cease fire. May be China or Europe can step up and assume the role of mediator when some give trumps surrender to Iran
There was this guy called Ayatollah Khamenei who was the religious leader of Iran and opposed the development of nuclear weapons. Wonder what happened to him.
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because histotically deposing a government and then just leaving the country in chaos tends to give said country democracy?
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That was literally your whole comment, the fuck?
Despite that, he was a despotic leader.
Offing him was the best way to put Iran into chaos, which should lead to restoring democracy in Iran.
Damn dude bummer for Israel then. Guess they should have been working to arm locals within Iran to overthrow the IRGC so the Iranian people could be free of their own tyranny. Oh wait I forgot. If they did that and no religious zealots were in charge, odds are they’d stop funding Hamas and other groups for proxies and Bibi wouldn’t have a boogy man anymore.
NATO is not for undocumented wars.
Glances at the last 80 years of NATO history
:-/
Yes, Serbia should have been allowed to genocide more Muslim Bosnians and Albanians. Also Ghadaffi should have been allowed to butcher his population.
Serbia should have been allowed to genocide more Muslim Bosnians and Albanians.
The NATO intervention killed and displaced more civilians than the Bosnian genocide.
The Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic had shown his ruthlessness earlier in Bosnia, and now, facing armed attack from Kosovo nationalists, attacked Kosovo, killing perhaps 2,000 people and causing several hundred thousand to become refugees.
An international gathering in Rambouillet, France, was supposed to try to solve the problem diplomatically. But it presented terms to Yugoslavia that seemed certain to be rejected: NATO control of all of Kosovo, and NATO military occupation of the rest of Yugoslavia. On March 23, 1999, the Serbian National Assembly responded with a counterproposal, rejecting NATO occupation and calling for negotiations leading “toward the reaching of a political agreement on a wide-ranging autonomy for Kosovo. . . . ” The Serbian proposal was ignored, and was not reported in the major newspapers of the United States
The following day, NATO forces (meaning mostly U.S. forces) began the bombing of Yugoslavia. Presumably, the bombing was to stop the “ethnic cleansing” of Kosovo, that is, the forcing of Albanians out of the province by death or intimidation. But after two weeks of bombing, the New York Times reported (April 5, 1999) that “more than 350,000 have left Kosovo since March 24.” Two months later, with the bombing still going on, the figure had risen to over 800,000. The bombing of Yugoslavia, including the capital city of Belgrade, apparently intended to unseat Milosevic, led to an untold number of civilian casualties.
From the People’s History of the United States, Chapter 24
Also Ghadaffi should have been allowed to butcher his population.
Again, the French airforce and subsequent NATO occupation has killed an order of magnitude more in the last decade than Ghadaffi managed in his entire time in office.
Orders of magnitude means to the power of 10, you know that right 😂 It’s between 2000 and 5000
Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?
“But but NATO, the west…” 💩
😂 It’s between 2000 and 5000
The displaced are between 200,000 and 800,000.
Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?
When the aggressor is Russian or Chinese.
200k-800k still isn’t an order of magnitude difference. Just a random person reading your folks comments learning about stuff here, no ill intent meant.
There is a huge difference though. No terror attacks on USA, they already said they “nuked them back to zero” with the other operation. They couldn’t define what the end-goal is for operation fury.
They don’t even agree on why they do this internally. And now they want other states to join in on a war happened because of Trumps small dick. I say fuck no. Let him have the consequences of this retarded administration for once. Let him dig his own grave.
Serbia never attacked the US either.
Clearly the world should have let Serbia continue it’s genocide. /S
People bitch when NATO stops a genocide and people bitch when NATO doesn’t.
I bitch when people can’t tell its from it’s.
UN exists for that purpose, NATO does not exist for that purpose.
Tbf I don’t remember many occasions in which people were complaining because NATO should have entered a conflict to stop a genocide.
You mean like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1244 ?
No terror attacks on USA
You just have to pretend Israel is part of the United States
They are not, and isn’t a part of NATO
The United States is absolutely part of NATO.
And Israel functions as a forward operating base, from which European military powers can control the Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean. It’s fundamental to the Western allied control of North Africa and the Middle East, even before you get into its function as a money laundering outfit and testing bed for military technology and policing strategy.
European leadership has a closer relationship with Israeli military than Turkish military, as a point of comparison.
Except for the occasional humanitarian bombing.
For now, I’d dare a bet on Merz getting back to sucking corpo cock
He worked for BlackCock i think.
But not out of principle … our ships just don’t go that far without breaking down!
And for 80 years, we were quite happy with that!
— love, your neighbors
Isn’t the pride of the German Navy a sailboat called the Gorch Fock?
It’s a beautiful ship. But germany hast quite a few real good ships and submarines. Of course no where the quantity of USA.
hey gorch fock yourself
jk
Dunno but the German word for team is mannschaft, and there was a German cycling team using Giant bikes, so the were the Giant Mannschaft.
Giggity.
lol is that true? are you german?
It is a bit of a meme in germany that our military equipment suffers from a lack of maintenance. Also there were a bunch of cases of new weapons systems just failing catastrophically or having huge security issues.
While true, Germany also has quite strict rules on rating equipment to not be ready. A broken heating or turning indicator on an IFV means it counts as non operational.
For ships there’s a rule of thumb. One is operational and on a mission, one is being refueled and restocked, one is being refit, maintained, or upgraded. So you need three units to always have one available. Germany has six submarines, meaning two are always available for active operations.
For planes you have to do hours of maintenance for every minute in the air.
The Bundeswehr used to lack funds and personnel, now it lacks mostly qualified personnel.
The amount of funds was never the problem. The way it was spend is and was the main problem.
My country is a bit towards the south and nobody really knows how our ships still manage to float.
We have ships where the entire navigation suite has been replaced with a commercial GPS.
The guns are fired… Every now and then. Sparingly. We still have ammunition from the 70’s in stock. Some times we even manage to misplace equipment.
Yet somehow we’re considered as the reliable ally, although a bit… wierd.
We have ships where the entire navigation suite has been replaced with a commercial GPS.
Honestly, that’ll do just fine in 90% of cases.
Only issues are:
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What do you do if some country has maliciously turned off or disabled the GPS satellites?
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The commercial GPS unit probably isn’t very EMP-resistant, so it might quickly be disabled if EMPs start going off all over the place … as would happen in a nuclear war.
But as long as you’re not fighting anybody capable of turning the entire GPS system off and the war hasn’t gone nuclear, it should probably be fine.
Sincerely? I’d expect to see astrolabes or sextants being pulled from storage.
Most naval ships actually do carry these old school navigation devices (as well as paper charts) and train on how to use them, just for this purpose. Just in case something disables the electronic navigation.
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“Bedingt abwehrfähig” is the bureacratic term the government uses to explain that the German military, in particular the equipment, is broken beyond any hope of repair.
Germany sold some submarines to Greece that were leaning over on one side out the factory
BMW makes submarines?
So Canada is buying the Korean ones then?
In the words of Knorkator
Geh aus dem Weg, du Arschgesicht
Eh mann, du stinkst nach Klo
Gib lieber auf, das schaffst du nicht
Und nun zurück in den Zoo
Knorkator… That’s a name I haven’t heard for a loooong time and today I learned that they are back from their creative break… Since 2010 🤣
They have a double day gig at Columbiahalle in Berlin, and tickets are hot.
Aber… Zum Glück bin ich ein alter Mann, das geht mich alles nichts mehr an!
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Are we going have that brain-dead ‘freedom’ fries bullshit again? Is this really going to be a repeat of 2003 Iraq? Seeing the limitless supply of brain rot in the US, probably we will.
Even if there’s a full scale invasion of Iran, a repeat of the aftermath of Irak is unlikely. Irak was much more of an artificial country with the major divisions between Kurds, Shia, and Sunni. While Iran also has a bunch of large minorities, it’s more cohesive overall.
It’s gonna be a lot of foods: freedom fries, freedom burger, freedom sauvignon blanc.
