Germany to Trump: We won’t help you reopen the Strait of Hormuz – POLITICO
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“This war has nothing to do with NATO. It’s not NATO’s war,” Stefan Kornelius, a spokesperson for German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, told reporters in Berlin on Monday. “NATO is a defensive alliance, an alliance for the defense of its territory,” he added.

    • Samskara@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      74·
      12 hours ago

      Yes, Serbia should have been allowed to genocide more Muslim Bosnians and Albanians. Also Ghadaffi should have been allowed to butcher his population.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        9 hours ago

        Serbia should have been allowed to genocide more Muslim Bosnians and Albanians.

        The NATO intervention killed and displaced more civilians than the Bosnian genocide.

        The Serbian president Slobodan Milosevic had shown his ruthlessness earlier in Bosnia, and now, facing armed attack from Kosovo nationalists, attacked Kosovo, killing perhaps 2,000 people and causing several hundred thousand to become refugees.

        An international gathering in Rambouillet, France, was supposed to try to solve the problem diplomatically. But it presented terms to Yugoslavia that seemed certain to be rejected: NATO control of all of Kosovo, and NATO military occupation of the rest of Yugoslavia. On March 23, 1999, the Serbian National Assembly responded with a counterproposal, rejecting NATO occupation and calling for negotiations leading “toward the reaching of a political agreement on a wide-ranging autonomy for Kosovo. . . . ” The Serbian proposal was ignored, and was not reported in the major newspapers of the United States

        The following day, NATO forces (meaning mostly U.S. forces) began the bombing of Yugoslavia. Presumably, the bombing was to stop the “ethnic cleansing” of Kosovo, that is, the forcing of Albanians out of the province by death or intimidation. But after two weeks of bombing, the New York Times reported (April 5, 1999) that “more than 350,000 have left Kosovo since March 24.” Two months later, with the bombing still going on, the figure had risen to over 800,000. The bombing of Yugoslavia, including the capital city of Belgrade, apparently intended to unseat Milosevic, led to an untold number of civilian casualties.

        From the People’s History of the United States, Chapter 24

        Also Ghadaffi should have been allowed to butcher his population.

        Again, the French airforce and subsequent NATO occupation has killed an order of magnitude more in the last decade than Ghadaffi managed in his entire time in office.

        • LittleBorat3@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 hours ago

          Orders of magnitude means to the power of 10, you know that right 😂 It’s between 2000 and 5000

          Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?

          “But but NATO, the west…” 💩

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            5 hours ago

            😂 It’s between 2000 and 5000

            The displaced are between 200,000 and 800,000.

            Since when do we care about the aggressors in a conflict?

            When the aggressor is Russian or Chinese.

            • Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              1·
              4 hours ago

              200k-800k still isn’t an order of magnitude difference. Just a random person reading your folks comments learning about stuff here, no ill intent meant.

    • somethingDotExe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      221·
      1 day ago

      There is a huge difference though. No terror attacks on USA, they already said they “nuked them back to zero” with the other operation. They couldn’t define what the end-goal is for operation fury.

      They don’t even agree on why they do this internally. And now they want other states to join in on a war happened because of Trumps small dick. I say fuck no. Let him have the consequences of this retarded administration for once. Let him dig his own grave.

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
            510·
            1 day ago

            The United States is absolutely part of NATO.

            And Israel functions as a forward operating base, from which European military powers can control the Suez and the Eastern Mediterranean. It’s fundamental to the Western allied control of North Africa and the Middle East, even before you get into its function as a money laundering outfit and testing bed for military technology and policing strategy.

            European leadership has a closer relationship with Israeli military than Turkish military, as a point of comparison.