• Absurdly Stupid @lemmy.world
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    Cubans are suffering (from what I’ve seen). In my opinion, we should immediately end the embargo, enough. Castro is dead.

    I also think that we should return Guantanamo to Cuba, instead of just deciding that it’s ours with a ridiculous “eternal lease”. Everyone on Earth can see that yes, we can dominate a tiny island whenever we want to. Yes, we get it. USA wins. Declare that in perpetuity instead of the lease.

    This is one of those longstanding issues that remind us all how outrageously and openly unjust the US government is. Democrat or Republican, 70 years of “welp, what can we do? We can’t close it, sorry, it’s un-closeable. It’s a perpetual lease, you see. It would be illegal to close it!” (I know Obama “attempted” to shut it down, but let’s be real. Just stop)

    Invading Cuba is an absurd abuse of power, but I guess that Trump got a call from the boss. Who’s the boss? Whomever demands that we squat on Guantanamo Bay.

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    7 hours ago

    So invade Cuba to distract from oil prices caused by invasion on Iran, meant to distract from the Epstein files.

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    10 hours ago

    Can we find out who is controlling this puppet yet? And do something about THEM? Trump is not smart, you know he is not coming up with this shit on his own. You KNOW he does not even know where Cuba is on a map. I’ve heard he is functionally illiterate though. So who knows?

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    The country that boomed a school, started multiple wars in middle East, now wants to take over Latin counties.

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    It’s just “More money” for Americans. The whole “American dream” is a nightmare for everyone else. Americans will sell their mother for a decent price. A very disgusting society. And this is not Trademark of Trump, every fucking US president since Truman is like Trump, more ore less.

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        America was founded on hypocrisy, fighting for the principles of freedom while owning slaves. Of course a lot of world history is Europeans fighting over land they had no business being on

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    Losing one (lost one?) and so let’s move on and tackle an island we’ve been starving out for years now.

    What a president.

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      Alternative take: Trump got what he wanted in Greenland, so now he’s moving on to the next one in his bucket list.

      I’m guessing Iran probably went a bit worse than he imagined or I have no idea what the point was there.

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        He didn’t get what he wanted in Greenland, he got something his people decided to spin as what he actually wanted, pretending it was some art of the deal bullshit all along and not him actually wanting something as stupid as taking over Greenland.

        He got what historically the US would have gotten just by asking. It was the US that reduced presence in Greenland in the first place, they were never kicked out.

        A “bit” worse than he imagined is an understatement. Iran is straightforward: a long standing problem in American foreign policy (indirectly caused by America in the first place) plus urging by Netanyahu. They had just proven to themselves that “fixing” Venezuela went way smoother than the naysayers were worried about and figured they could just do a quick killing spree and the regime would fall in line like Venezuela.

        Venezuela is the only “told you so” they have, that military intervention did get America’s goals in Venezuela seemingly advanced. The value of that effort remains to be proven, but the general shape went according to plan.

        So now they are thinking that Cuba might be a “told you so” scenario they could kick off to somewhat get the Iran in the background.

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          Yeah, could be, but then again, Trump has publically stated several times that his negotiation tactic is to ask for lot more than he actually wants so he can then “settle” and get what he actually wanted.

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            Yes, that’s a very very basic negotiation strategy, anyone who has even heard of a car being sold knows that super basic thing.

            However the Greenland situation is more like going to Walmart and demanding they give you a PS5 for free, and then Walmart saying “you can have it for $599” and then declaring “victory” because you never expected it for free, but you got the price you wanted. Except $599 is the list price and you didn’t have to every make a stink about wanting it for free.

            Trump was never that ‘great’ at this sort of thing, but his old age has eroded his ability to have any sort of filter that would facilitate even trying to play things close to the vest. What he says is what he thinks, more plainly than ever.

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            11 hours ago

            That’s like, a basic negotiating technique known by most for…ever? Except for Democrats, of course, they begin negotiations by conceding everything they actually want if you’ll just give them half of what they want.

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            I certainly think it’s risky (it goes without saying that it is also wrong). With Venezuela, it seemed you had a regime and populace that, fundamentally, were maybe mildly disapproving of US, but the regime was, in their hearts, pretty comfortable with corrupt arrangements and the Trump administration fits right in with those arrangements. Even an interview with one of the folks the regime unjustly imprisoned seemed at peace with the regime being intact, with a fairly “this sort of corruption is just the way the world works” attitude toward the whole thing.

            The Cuban people have endured decades of the US working to actively screw them over, and may be less ‘pragmatic’ about the best way forward even if it means accepting wrong being done and may be more ideologically engaged to recipricate, even if it is likely not going to be a ‘win’, but at least make the US hurt for what they do.

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    Great, more incompetent MAGA wars. While we’re blowing all our money on that, China has health care, built a high speed tail system, and eliminated poverty.

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        Not as long as the world uses the dollar to trade.

        Other countries can stop enabling the USA, and side with China or Russia’s financial systems, or make their own.

        Every country that stops uses the dollar to trade would be one less tentacle for the beast.

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      China still also likes to do murdery things, polluty things and many others.

      I’m not buying China as some sort of magic wonderland.

      In fact this tends to stink of that Chinese propaganda that all the kids are into.

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        Well, that describes America, too, but I wasn’t holding up China as a paradise, just as an example of proper economic policy. While Russia and America are the hillbilly superpowers feuding with everybody around them, China is already heading for the 22nd century.

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    17 hours ago

    Welp, for every sitout who abstained on grounds of being anti-war: you fucking suckers!

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    To distract from the trumpstein child rape files, the shithead attacks Iran. To distract from how horridly the Iran thing is going, the pedo is going to attack cuba.

    The world can’t wait for the big great headline news article…

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        Wouldn’t make a difference, the people controlling Trump will just control Vance on the same way. Trump isn’t coming up with any of this shit on his own. You know he’s not sitting around thinking of what he’s going to do next, they are feeding him information and what to do

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          It won’t work. MAGA is a classic cult of personality, and there is no #2. Lots of people think they are the heirs apparent, like Vance, Rubio, Hegseth, Don, Jr., etc., but that’s just their narcissim talking. Once Trump assumes room temperature, there will be attempts to claim the crown, but his base will evaporate. They love him, and only him.

          And without that base, the rest of MAGA can’t survive.

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      They are evil. Also, they know they are extremely unpopular right now so might as well go for broke. The Grand Old Pedophile party has been slow genociding the Cubans ever since they lost their tropical rape paradise.

      The Presidency has enriched itself by billions of dollars now, this amount of corruption no one could possibly fathom a couple of decades ago. I shudder to think of what they will do next after they have broken countless laws, violated the Constitution numerous times, and have dropped any pretense about being white nationalist thugs.

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        The democrats on the other hand have been so good for Cuba… Just expanded and made permanent the embargo that crippled Cuba since 1960.

        The oppression of Cubans for the glory of capitalism is bipartisan.

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          They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

          I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were. They were very impressed with Cuba and its people.

          It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people. It is in my opinion a crime against humanity. No wonder this administration is hates the ICC, they know they are criminals.

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            They have been complicit and have not fought for the Cuban people the way they should have. Criticism is deserved.

            They were not merely complicit; they actively supported policies that harmed the Cuban people.

            JFK dramatically strengthened the embargo and made it comprehensive. Decades later, Helms-Burton effectively locked much of that embargo into federal law through a bipartisan Congress:

            • Republicans: 230 yes, 5 no
            • Democrats: 106 yes, 80 no, 1 present
            • Independent: 0 yes, 1 no

            So yes, the degree of responsibility was different, but this was not simply a Republican policy. A majority of House Democrats voted to codify and entrench the embargo as well.

            I am not a fan of Obama, but he did normalize relations. I was not able to visit, but some of my friends were.

            Yeah, absolutely. Obama deserves real credit for reopening diplomatic relations and making travel and engagement much easier. It’s just that the underlying embargo still remained in place, largely because Helms-Burton had written so much of it into federal law. So Obama was working around a legal structure that Congress would have had to change to fully end the embargo, and I don’t know about you, but looking at the history of that law, I have no reason to believe democrats would have fell just short of a vote or two change it, and blame a DINO…

            It is a disgusting that this administration is responsible for the the increased suffering of their people.

            Totally. What Trump is doing is taking it to the next level, and the American people are letting him, because it doesn’t effect their day to day. Just like Palestine, Cuba was forgotten and left to suffer in silence until they could resist no more, and Trump being so stupid is at least putting Cuba back on the table. If only the average American would care.

            How many democrats have you heard speak up for Cuba in the last 40 years?

  • thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world
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    Americans don’t care about war because it’s never been on their doorstep.

    Dude will actively fuck is his own leverage and sysop over his own citizens if this touches the US

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      as it wasnt really the deciding factor in '24 with gaza incident, dint really make a big impact as far votes go only was useful in michigan with the large muslim population. it was gas prices, eggs, domestic issues.