Check out the documentary “The Act of Killing” and the book “The Jakarta Method” if you’d like some historical context for modern Indonesia.
Sounds like Aceh… Yep, it’s Aceh. They’ve been strongly Islamic for centuries. Their Free Aceh Movement (Gerakan Aceh Merdeka) was a pain-in-the-ass even for Suharto, Indonesia’s military dictator throughout the 1960s/1990s.
No surprise that most tourists are limited to Bali.
I just read about some people that did some bang bus in indonesia, brang bros, and they sentenced, I think it was a woman, to like 30 years in prison, or charged, but it’s not like they have jury trials charged is convicted 90 plus percent of the time in such countries.
Indonesia another backward country ruled by backward religions. :/
Wait isnt like 20% of indonesia christian? And also there are buddhists there no? Do they also get punished for not following religious law that they dont even believe in? I know this is how it works in most countries in the world but they dont have this much religious and cultural diversity.
In a Christian state, kissing in public is also prohibited. People in the West have forgotten this because, here, countries are secular, even though Christianity is the dominant religion.
For example, in my country, Portugal, before the Carnation Revolution of April 25, 1974, which introduced secularism, kissing in public or even holding hands was prohibited. The penalty could range from a simple fine to imprisonment. There was even a crime of “vadiagem” if you were caught in public, say, in a park, doing nothing during standard weekly working hours.
The previous regime in Portugal, the Salazarist Estado Novo, is generally described by historians as a quasi-fascist, Christian-Nationalist regime.
When I lived in Portugal, several people liked to point out “you’re in a public place!” when I was with my gf, which was really strange to us.
Indonesia is majority muslim, the ruling class. It’s a huge number of groups in the country though. The old president was strong armed into handing off the presidency to the military figurehead that rules now. They staged a bunch of astroturfed protests and idk what else.
It is looking dark, there and everywhere, the illiberal forces are united in destroying liberal democracy, not that indonesia had all that much of that to begin with but still. We need to organize, we are stronger, if united.
This happened in the province Aceh where everyone is Muslim like 99% of the population. Aceh is the only province in Indonesia with Sharia Law. Aceh has a special autonomous status, has basically been this way since the Dutch conquered the area. Because the province will go to war if they can’t have Sharia Law plus a lot of money flows into that area from Saudi Arabia. They will use that money to fund terrorist cells if they have to.
You lost me at terrorist cells.
How do you believe every terrorist attack in Indonesia of the last 30 years has been organized? Those weren’t done by lone wolfs. A cell system is just a way to organize a group of people so an attack can’t be traced back to the actual leaders and people funding the attack, since the people in the cell only have enough information to orchestrate the attack.
What, the mali bombing? That was the last I heard about, how many years back, 15 or so?
Yeah you only heard of Bali bombing because it killed many white people. Many attacks have happened since that one. The last suicide bombing was four years ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Indonesia
I have heard about their bullshit in New Guinea. You want to talk about Terrorism.
Or we could speak about the Indonesian Military, the true threat, that is involved in illegal logging, and palm oil plantations with slave labour.
Islamic terrorists are the least of the problems of the country of indonesia, the military is the main problem.
So you are moving the goal post haha. We weren’t talking about the military. Just because the military is a bigger problem doesn’t make Islamic terrorism not a problem.
This is what MAGA wants but for their own religious views
I think MAGA is more about returning the US back to the 50s and 60s. When people were more modest and had some level of common sense. Although that also includes more religious tards. But even if you were socially kinda shamed for weird shit, you weren’t beat and jailed. They’d find other things to jail you for that you didn’t so instead.
The root of MAGA’s nostalgia for the 1950s is the effective US corporate tax rate being 40-50% rather than the 2010s’s 10-15%. Those higher taxes paid for healthcare, anti-trust enforcement which increased wages across the board, general public services. Instead, money that corporations would have spent on taxes goes into bribes for regulatory capture, helping depress wages and facilitate monopolistic mergers and acquisitions. Quick overview of historic tax rates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States
You think MAGA would be against publicly caning ethnic minorities or LGBTQ people or socialists or democrats or women? Remember, MAGA thinks Renee Good is an antifa terrorist.
“Common Sense”, like Black people having less rights.
And the big one really, women.
Crazy coming from the repent now crowd. Take my advice, I’m not using it.
So many men are just terrified of the idea of a woman being equal.
Huh? It was literally illegal to be gay in the 50s and 60s. Police raided gay bars. Black folks were segregated and arrested for violations. Women also didn’t have social mobility. There’s a reason that the media that came out in the 50s depicting the societal restriction on women was popular, especially The Stepford Wives.
You had an acceptable view of things, right up until the second to last sentence. People were absolutely beat and jailed for “obscene” behavior, including just being gay. But maybe that is what you mean with common sense.
Back when women were property and minorities got lynched every weekend.
Fuck religion.
A young couple in Indonesia’s conservative Aceh province have been publicly caned after a Sharia court convicted them of violating Islamic law
And people wonder why I don’t want to import that shit here…
Wait till you read about what can happen in the ecclesiastical courts.
Why is this idiocy upvoted? Religious courts are not a thing in Christianity.
Egg on face time. Ecclesiastical courts are very much a thing, particularly in Catholic, Anglican, Mormon and Orthodox denominations.
Except they have no legal power, so they are only used voluntarily, I’m guessing mostly for family disputes.
But please feel free to show a recent example of an Ecclesiastical court that has done anything remotely similar to punish a young couple to caning for posting a picture of them kissing!
And remember that was what the post claimed saying: “Wait till you read about what can happen in the ecclesiastical courts.”.I find it very strange that you claim such courts exists in Catholicism, because in catholicism there is no basis for such courts, except maybe for being guidance on personal matters for believers.
So what horrible things are happening in these courts?
If course it was. It’ll come back.
A hypothetical doesn’t change that it’s a straw man argument, because Christianity does not have the equivalent of Sharia law. Because Jesus transitioned the laws of the old testament to be internal, creating a new covenant, switching away from strict rule keeping of the old laws.
Problem with Islam is that most Muslims still believe in the strict rule keeping of the Quran. But there are Muslims that interpret it differently, and are much more modern thinking.
That difference makes it so Christian laws are not a requirement for a Christian society, a Christian society can have secular laws without problem.So it is extremely unlikely to come back outside maybe some cults.
Remember the old testament is not Christianity, it is what came BEFORE Christianity, and is the heritage of Christianity, so the barbaric rules of old testament are now void. And a court upholding them as literal can never really be a Christian court.Unfortunately there are still crazy Christians that believe they need to change the laws based on Christian beliefs, but this is not a requirement of the Bible.
Can’t wait to hear about it! It’ll make a nice change from hearing about the wonderful culture of Islam
Oh look, a proudly ignorant bigot.
Abhoring a group who believe in fairy tales who force this on others, is hardly being ignorant, and definitely not a bigot.
No one is convinced by that fig leaf, we can all see what you are.
Name calling is hardly a rebuttal as well. May you be blessed to live under the rule of fundamentalist thought.
You believe everyone that’s Islamic wants sharia law everywhere and any dissenters to be put to death, don’t you?
AFAIK it’s a key part of Islam and the Quran that an Islamic society must have Islamic law.
Sharia law is for most Islamic countries that law.and any dissenters to be put to death
Where did that suddenly come from? HUGE Straw man argument.
went viral and prompted reports to local sharia authorities.
You must be a real piece of … to waste your time to report something like that.
You can swear on Lemmy. There’s no corporate authority who’s going to ban you for saying “shit”.
Living in Indonesia really soured me on Islam. It’s the largest Islamic country on earth and they sure do give it a bad name.
Muslims all around the world give Islam a bad name. It’s just inherent to the religion. Tolerant and liberal minded Muslims basically ignore large parts of the religious dogma. And anyone who doesn’t and follows the scripture to the letter is a shit stain human being.
If you’ve read the Bible, you know this isn’t only Islam. It’s in most religions.
However, Islam is more than just a religion. It’s also designed to be a state. It is purpose built to fully encapsulate the law. That’s part of what has caused the issues, but the followers aren’t typically any worse than most other religions. It’s the governments, who are following the legal portion, not just the faith portion, which causes issues.
There is an episode of King of the Hill where Bobby decides that he’s just never going to have sex and never have kids because that’s clearly what his parents want. Sometimes I’m honestly surprised that religions like this haven’t caused their own population crisis.
Hormones are a hell of a drug
The whole schtick of such a religion is that the easiest way to have sex is to follow the rules
