• L/nerd@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      6 months ago

      believing yourself immune to suggestion is one of the greatest vulnerabilities against suggestion tbh

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        Rule no. 1: People are stupid. A person will believe a lie because they want it to be true, or they fear it might be true. A person’s head if full of information, most of it is wrong. People are also convinced that they are perfectly able to determine truth from lies, which makes them all the easier to fool.

        Bonus points if you get the reference without googling it.

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        You’re normal in that respect:

        https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/aur.1962

        In fact, the idea that autistic individuals are immune to propaganda is, itself, media propaganda. The study that those articles report on was a single study that found that autistic individuals show less of a framing effect on their own preferences. It’s much more easily explained by autistic individuals having strong, internal preferences for their own likes/dislikes than it is by autistic individuals being immune to propaganda.

        Speaking from experience here, too.

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          i believe we are much morer prone to complöetely change an opinion when someone presents facts and arguments, like, logical ones.

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            Is that because the information is truly factual and logical, or because the aesthetics of fact and logic are satisfying? E.g. (Early, before true craziness manifested) Jordan Peterson came across as an arbiter of truth to many simply because he spoke well, held status and had confidence in his convictions

            Edit: [continued…] despite providing no real evidence to back up many of his claims. Andrew Huberman is another example that springs to mind.

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              but to clarify: i am easely manipulated by lies and people pretending to be nice, i was convinced countless times to do something to my detriment and their profit.

              i had a small buisness selling car parts. i couldnt do that anymore, since people were talking me into all kinds of bad deals. i only realized hours or days later.

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        x: your eyes are as bright as a star

        my dumbass: actually, did you know that the sun outputs 3.83×1026 W? that’s so much that the energy output by the Sun in just one hour could power the Earth for about 56.1 trillion years at the current global consumption rate. Or, if you …blah blah blah something something Kardashev scale…

        yeaaaa not my proudest move

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          On the other hand, if you average the Sun’s energy generation across its entire volume and adjust for that volume’s mass, an equivalent mass of human body tissue generates more heat energy.

          So your eyes may not have the raw lumen output of an entire star; but, pound for pound, your eyes would outshine a similarly massive piece of one.

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            i kinda do no get it, can you explain it in some other way?

            like, 100 kilos of sun would generate less heat energy than 100 kilos of me?

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              Yes. On average.

              If you specifically take 100 kilos of core material from the Sun, then it would be a no contest victory for the Sun. But the Sun is very, very big, and when it comes to producing energy, most of it is doing absolutely nothing. So it brings the average energy production per kilo way, way down.

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                thanks, i think i got it! average matter of the sun has less energy density or IR radiation or what have you, than average matter of me. thannks! that will come in händi as trivia.

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    Resisting peer pressure is easy if your peers never try to pressure you. Or hang out with you. Or talk to you.

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    Adults: people would try to pressure you into drugs.

    Adults with drugs after being rejected: “I got you! no problem”

    Adults with alcohol after being rejected: “what do you mean you don’t like alcohol?? Just try it! You’re going to like it!!”

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      i had to quit a whole friend group, because i quit drinking when i switchted to ritalin,

      after a while they were saying that ritalin changed my personality to the worse kind. I realized they didnt like it when I said “no” and wouldnt budge. Or when i spoke my mind, or when I just left a situation when i had enough. or when i didnt want to go to bars anymore, or sitting aroung and listening to their drunk talk.

      before ritalin, i was drunk almost everytime we hung out together.

      i think the last time i drank a glas of whine was last chrismas; and before that, i has one year without alcohol.

      i drank like 10 liters of beer each week for more then ten years. sometimes less.

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      Ads are subliminal and you are kidding yourself if you think you are immune.

      Edit - except for perfume ads, those are pointless.

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        I am not immune they are distracting my thoughts and stirring my deep hate for them.

        Ads are assault. Adblock is accessibility.

        Ethical advertisements can exist, its super rare.

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          With all the information that Google knows about us and everything, they could in theory be doing a great job suggesting things that would be great for us - for example showing me a product or service I don’t know exists which would help me with some problem I may be having.

          Google pretends that it’s what they do - showing the best possible ads for us. But what they do is the complete opposite, they find the best possible users to show their ads to. They have a responsibility to the ad, not to the user.

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            its more isidious than that; they show you the ad that makes the most money for them. regardless if you need it or not.

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        I can remember exactly one ad from when i was like 7. If i see an ad i just zone out. And everything i buy is because i researched it, it’s the only thing of that type in store, or i tested it and decided i liked it.

        I don’t think the majority of people are as vulnerable to ads as you think

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          You don’t need remember ads. You see ads, then you notice the item in the store. Remembering the ad is not the point. the point of the ad is to keep you reminded that the item/service exists. You are not immune. Sorry.

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        Look at this sexy woman. Look at this cool refreshing air conditioner she’s next to. Isn’t she sexy? Isn’t it nice stepping in from the heat to stand next to an air conditioner? So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you’re feeling

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          Look at this sexy woman. So anyway. Associate coca cola with all the feelings you’re feeling

          Any ace person: So, complete apathy at best?

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      🤓 They dont! Or rather they do much less than they used to, and the effect of all the product hype has been deteriorating since anthromorphic cigarette boxes have been letting you know a particular brand exists and you may like it during the half-hour show intermission in the fifties.

      We’re not completely sure why, because it’s complicated. For one thing, while were blasting adults with ads, we’re also desensitizing the next generation from the same intensity, so to influence them we have to up the hype, and guess what that does to their kids.

      Another factor is competition. Even ads for non-competing products are still competing for your time, your memory, your attention, so while Coke and Coors are trying to tell you what to drink you’re still thinking about the hot woman in the Toyota ad. PS Sex sells, but mostly it sells sex. People remember the hottie twerking on screen, not that Raytheon sponsored her. If we’re thinking about banging the green M&M, we’re not thinking of her as tasty chocolate candy.

      And then there’s the matter that ads now try to convince you you need this product rather than simply informing you this brand exists, and you might like it, on the assumption you’re already on the market for a new hair shampoo. And the advertising sector is saturated with false products, e.g. shampoos that allegedly (but don’t actually) make you irresistibly sexy to hottie passersby, rather than merely clean your hair. So we trust modern household products the way we trust politicians.

      Advertisers have been losing the war for your attention since the fifties, which [each] successive more expensive ad campaign being less effective than the last, all the while further enshittifying the medium space they occupy.

      Curiously, bad decisions by marketers are compounded by bad decisions by upper management, who insist on unethically sourcing their materials and labor to make shoddy products and then blame their marketing team when their business model tanks.

      /🤓