• DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    13 天前

    It seems that according to your political morality, Hitler, every member of the SS, every guard in Auschwitz, every other member of the Nazi Party, and every other German who didn’t make it out of the country or didn’t want to wind up in prison or dead in a probable futile fight, is equally bad.

    Meanwhile Churchill, every British soldier, every other citizen of United Kingdom, including every Nazi sympathizer and/or imperialist is equally good.

    No American can talk about another country’s bad deeds because what America is doing.

    America had no business invading Nazi Germany, until they first got rid of their racism, and maybe paid restitution for slavery and return territory to the indigenous.

    UK had no business invading Nazi Germany until they allowed their territories in Africa and Asia to go independent. Hitler murdered Jews and Slavs, Churchill murdered Bengalis.

    Similar with France. How dare they fight against Vichy when they fought against anti-imperialists in Algeria.

    Who murdered more Ukrainians? Hitler or Stalin? Maybe the Western allies such as the US should have let them fight it out.

    • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      12 天前

      is equally bad.

      No, and that’s a strawman. But the Americans who are sitting back going “well I voted for Kamala, it’s not MY problem” are bad. And that’s all I said.

      The rest of your nonsense is the same strawman.

      Who murdered more Ukrainians? Hitler or Stalin?

      Hitler.

      • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        12 天前

        (my bold)

        No, and that’s a strawman. But the Americans who are sitting back going “well I voted for Kamala, it’s not MY problem” are bad. And that’s all I said.

        what you said:

        https://lemmy.world/post/51348178/25602197

        Yeah - until I see George W Bush hanging in The Hague, Americans should probably shut the fuck up about their advice to other countries on how to deal with war criminals.

        The rest of your nonsense is the same strawman.

        Perhaps in other words, you can’t be bothered trying to refute what I posted.

        Who murdered more Ukrainians? Hitler or Stalin?

        Hitler.

        You’re probably right.

        wp:Holodomor

        Around 3.5 to 5 million in Ukraine; see death toll

        wp:World War II casualties of the Soviet Union#Estimated losses by Soviet republic

        6,850,000

        So I guess neither the Germans in the 1940s were in any position to criticize the Soviets over Holodomor, nor the Russians in the 1930s were in any position to criticize Ukraine.

        • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          12 天前

          Meh, you want to dive into the Holodomor - there were even larger amounts of famine deaths in other SSRs, so depends what you’re calling “murdered”. Whereas the Nazi extermination campaign in Ukraine was purposeful murder.

          you can’t be bothered trying to refute what I posted

          That you equate different things and therefore decide that you magically are in the right?

          Wow, amazing that.

          Meanwhile your war criminals are running around free. Donald Rumsfeld died in his bed, Georgie is painting soldiers. How many dead from their war?

          So I guess

          Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

          • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            2 天前

            Meh, you want to dive into the Holodomor - there were even larger amounts of famine deaths in other SSRs,

            Which ones?

            Were their percentages higher?

            so depends what you’re calling “murdered”.

            premeditated killing.

            Whereas the Nazi extermination campaign in Ukraine was purposeful murder.

            They’re indefensible too.

            Meanwhile your war criminals are running around free. Donald Rumsfeld died in his bed, Georgie is painting soldiers. How many dead from their war?

            Who I opposed at the time, as did many Americans.

            So I guess

            Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

            I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

            I guess it’s because you don’t have a good answer.

            • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 天前

              as did many Americans.

              20% isn’t many. I know, because I was getting tear gassed on the streets.

              Meanwhile, the rest of you are . . . . what? Going along with your war criminals showing up for hugs.

              I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

              I already have. See above.

              • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 天前

                20% isn’t many. I know, because I was getting tear gassed on the streets.

                Kudos to you for being out on the streets.

                20% x >280 million people x >60% adults = 33.6 million

                33.6 million is many.

                Meanwhile, the rest of you are . . . . what? Going along with your war criminals showing up for hugs.

                Nope: I haven’t hugged any war criminals, nor have many Americans.

                https://lemmy.world/post/51348178/25740217

                So I guess neither the Germans in the 1940s were in any position to criticize the Soviets over Holodomor, nor the Russians in the 1930s were in any position to criticize Ukraine.

                Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

                I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

                I guess it’s because you don’t have a good answer.

                I already have. See above.

                So I guess we (including you and me) all shut up until the countries we’re living in are perfect or near-perfect.

                  • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    18 小时前

                    If half of the eligible voters in the US, perhaps 30%, did what I did and not voted for him, he wouldn’t have become President.

                    I’m hoping that the GOP loses both Houses in 45 days: such could save lives in Iran.