• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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    12 days ago

    is equally bad.

    No, and that’s a strawman. But the Americans who are sitting back going “well I voted for Kamala, it’s not MY problem” are bad. And that’s all I said.

    The rest of your nonsense is the same strawman.

    Who murdered more Ukrainians? Hitler or Stalin?

    Hitler.

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      (my bold)

      No, and that’s a strawman. But the Americans who are sitting back going “well I voted for Kamala, it’s not MY problem” are bad. And that’s all I said.

      what you said:

      https://lemmy.world/post/51348178/25602197

      Yeah - until I see George W Bush hanging in The Hague, Americans should probably shut the fuck up about their advice to other countries on how to deal with war criminals.

      The rest of your nonsense is the same strawman.

      Perhaps in other words, you can’t be bothered trying to refute what I posted.

      Who murdered more Ukrainians? Hitler or Stalin?

      Hitler.

      You’re probably right.

      wp:Holodomor

      Around 3.5 to 5 million in Ukraine; see death toll

      wp:World War II casualties of the Soviet Union#Estimated losses by Soviet republic

      6,850,000

      So I guess neither the Germans in the 1940s were in any position to criticize the Soviets over Holodomor, nor the Russians in the 1930s were in any position to criticize Ukraine.

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        Meh, you want to dive into the Holodomor - there were even larger amounts of famine deaths in other SSRs, so depends what you’re calling “murdered”. Whereas the Nazi extermination campaign in Ukraine was purposeful murder.

        you can’t be bothered trying to refute what I posted

        That you equate different things and therefore decide that you magically are in the right?

        Wow, amazing that.

        Meanwhile your war criminals are running around free. Donald Rumsfeld died in his bed, Georgie is painting soldiers. How many dead from their war?

        So I guess

        Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

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          Meh, you want to dive into the Holodomor - there were even larger amounts of famine deaths in other SSRs,

          Which ones?

          Were their percentages higher?

          so depends what you’re calling “murdered”.

          premeditated killing.

          Whereas the Nazi extermination campaign in Ukraine was purposeful murder.

          They’re indefensible too.

          Meanwhile your war criminals are running around free. Donald Rumsfeld died in his bed, Georgie is painting soldiers. How many dead from their war?

          Who I opposed at the time, as did many Americans.

          So I guess

          Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

          I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

          I guess it’s because you don’t have a good answer.

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            as did many Americans.

            20% isn’t many. I know, because I was getting tear gassed on the streets.

            Meanwhile, the rest of you are . . . . what? Going along with your war criminals showing up for hugs.

            I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

            I already have. See above.

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              20% isn’t many. I know, because I was getting tear gassed on the streets.

              Kudos to you for being out on the streets.

              20% x >280 million people x >60% adults = 33.6 million

              33.6 million is many.

              Meanwhile, the rest of you are . . . . what? Going along with your war criminals showing up for hugs.

              Nope: I haven’t hugged any war criminals, nor have many Americans.

              https://lemmy.world/post/51348178/25740217

              So I guess neither the Germans in the 1940s were in any position to criticize the Soviets over Holodomor, nor the Russians in the 1930s were in any position to criticize Ukraine.

              Yes, I think you spend lots of time doing that.

              I guess you aren’t going to answer the question.

              I guess it’s because you don’t have a good answer.

              I already have. See above.

              So I guess we (including you and me) all shut up until the countries we’re living in are perfect or near-perfect.

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                  If half of the eligible voters in the US, perhaps 30%, did what I did and not voted for him, he wouldn’t have become President.

                  I’m hoping that the GOP loses both Houses in 45 days: such could save lives in Iran.

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                    such could save lives in Iran.

                    Where have the Democrats said they’re going to stop the war in Iran?

                    I’m honestly asking - the only stuff I’ve seen is the same nonsense they tried in 2004 of “well, the war should be fought better”, ignoring that the war itself is literally a war crime.