Luigi Mangione, the 28-year-old accused of killing a health care executive on a Manhattan street, pleaded guilty to stalking charges in federal court Friday.
Mangione faced those charges in connection with the December 2024 shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
“I knew what I was doing,” Mangione said in court Friday. “I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died.”
Thompson’s family was in the courtroom sitting in the front row watching as Mangione entered his plea. Mangione voiced no remorse and repeatedly referenced his concerns with the U.S. health care system.
Wow, I was expecting this to go to trial and be more drawn out.
The feds only had stalking charges. Murder is a separate state case, but it’ll be hard to beat that 'I knew what I was doing. I shot him." statement. Maybe angling for favorable sentencing.
Definitely taking “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” to heart, though. Hero of the people.
It was presumably his lawyer’s strategy. He pleaded guilty to the federal stalking case and then the lawyers moved to dismiss the state murder charges for double jeopardy. They’re trying to say he shouldn’t be charged for the same crime twice and picked the lesser of the two.
Prove to me that the American justice system isn’t a game show. Other than the “unanimous decision” part, name one thing in a criminal trial that’s different from American Idol.
The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, emphasis mine:
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Double jeopardy is a legal concept that means a person can’t be tried for the same crime twice. Leading up to the revolution, there was an issue with British authorities charging colonists with trumped up charges just to harass them. And when they’d beat the charges, the authorities would just charge them with the same crime again, starting the entire process all over again. So they specifically listed a “no double jeopardy” clause in the constitution, because they had seen how a prosecutor could abuse the legal system to keep an innocent person perpetually locked up.
However, double jeopardy doesn’t typically protect someone across state and federal crimes. Courts have repeatedly upheld that you can be tried in both, because the two courts are entirely separate. So it’s interesting that they’re trying to use the double jeopardy argument to say that the state can’t charge him.
They’re not using the double jeopardy clause in the US constitution, because, as you stated, the case law on that doesn’t protect him from dual state and federal prosecution.
Instead, Mr. Mangione is moving to dismiss the state case on the basis of New York’s separate double jeopardy law. That law binds the state of New York, and prevents them from prosecuting something that has already been jeopardised at the federal level.
SatansMaggotyCumFart is almost always making a joke.
Or blaming the Left for Kamala Harris being an awful candidate that didn’t earn enough votes to beat the most unqualified, unpopular, and corrupt pile of radioactive waste to ever seek the office.
He REALLY loves beating that particular dead horse on any post about the Mango Mussolini doing something particularly heinous.
It really baffles me sometimes how clever people can make such basic mistakes when doing crimes.
If you’re planning to do something illegal don’t literally document your crime. Or if you do need to do some written-down planning ahead of time, a major part of that plan should include how to destroy that documentation at the earliest possible moment.
The overwhelming amount of evidence was actually a large part of why I consistently held that some of it was planted. His bag was initially searched at the scene of the arrest, then it was taken by an officer who wasn’t wearing a body cam. The bag was entirely off camera for around 10 minutes. Then when that officer came back with the bag, they searched it again and “found” the journal, manifesto, ghost gun, etc… None of which was noted during their initial search inside of the restaurant.
The police were under an extreme amount of pressure to arrest somebody. Anybody. They needed a patsy. And so my bet right from the start had always been that the evidence was planted.
You’re telling me the dude managed to evade a nationwide manhunt for an entire week, but didn’t think to break up the untraceable ghost gun? It could have been taken apart and scattered into a dozen trash cans, and they never would have found it.
And when people write manifestos, it’s because they expect to get caught and they want their manifesto to be seen. They want to send a specific message. So why would he hide for an entire week if he wanted the manifesto to be found?
The eyebrows don’t match either. Luigi’s were much bigger than the security camera footage of the killer. And anyone who has accidentally over-plucked their eyebrows can attest that they don’t just grow back in a week.
Yeah, no jury at all. State charges are still pending, so we’ll see if those continue. Seems unlikely to have a state trial if he’s already plead guilty to federal charges.
Sometimes they’ll wait for them to be released from one prison just to arrest and prosecute other charges. Given the state and federal split I would be unsurprised if that happens here.
Wow, I was expecting this to go to trial and be more drawn out.
The feds only had stalking charges. Murder is a separate state case, but it’ll be hard to beat that 'I knew what I was doing. I shot him." statement. Maybe angling for favorable sentencing.
Definitely taking “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” to heart, though. Hero of the people.
New York has an extremely strict double jeopardy law.
You can’t be convicted at the state level in New York for actions you were also convicted of at the federal level. Even if the charges are different.
It was presumably his lawyer’s strategy. He pleaded guilty to the federal stalking case and then the lawyers moved to dismiss the state murder charges for double jeopardy. They’re trying to say he shouldn’t be charged for the same crime twice and picked the lesser of the two.
We’re talking about the justice system here not some game show.
Tough crowd today.
Prove to me that the American justice system isn’t a game show. Other than the “unanimous decision” part, name one thing in a criminal trial that’s different from American Idol.
Double jeopardy is a legal defense that stops the government from trying or punishing a person twice for the same crime.
It’s a real thing.
The Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, emphasis mine:
Double jeopardy is a legal concept that means a person can’t be tried for the same crime twice. Leading up to the revolution, there was an issue with British authorities charging colonists with trumped up charges just to harass them. And when they’d beat the charges, the authorities would just charge them with the same crime again, starting the entire process all over again. So they specifically listed a “no double jeopardy” clause in the constitution, because they had seen how a prosecutor could abuse the legal system to keep an innocent person perpetually locked up.
However, double jeopardy doesn’t typically protect someone across state and federal crimes. Courts have repeatedly upheld that you can be tried in both, because the two courts are entirely separate. So it’s interesting that they’re trying to use the double jeopardy argument to say that the state can’t charge him.
They’re not using the double jeopardy clause in the US constitution, because, as you stated, the case law on that doesn’t protect him from dual state and federal prosecution.
Instead, Mr. Mangione is moving to dismiss the state case on the basis of New York’s separate double jeopardy law. That law binds the state of New York, and prevents them from prosecuting something that has already been jeopardised at the federal level.
Are you joking right now?
I think they’re genuinely dumb. It can’t be an act this entire time right?
In case you weren’t making a joke: Double jeopardy
SatansMaggotyCumFart is almost always making a joke. Every once in a while he says something not joking or trolling, and it’s wierd.
Weird is one of those strange words where the i is after the e.
See, this is exactly what I’m talking about.
Just remember that weird rhymes with beird.
It’s easy to remember “weird’s weird,” though.
Or blaming the Left for Kamala Harris being an awful candidate that didn’t earn enough votes to beat the most unqualified, unpopular, and corrupt pile of radioactive waste to ever seek the office.
He REALLY loves beating that particular dead horse on any post about the Mango Mussolini doing something particularly heinous.
It’s because I totally support leftists staying home and letting trump become the president instead of Harris and her weird laugh.
They are setting up for a defense based on mental health, non compos mentis .
I’m sure there was a plea deal. Either that or they found out the prosecution had some really damning evidence.
Him having a journal, tracking specifically the victim and calling the company to get more details pretty much seals the deal.
It really baffles me sometimes how clever people can make such basic mistakes when doing crimes.
If you’re planning to do something illegal don’t literally document your crime. Or if you do need to do some written-down planning ahead of time, a major part of that plan should include how to destroy that documentation at the earliest possible moment.
The overwhelming amount of evidence was actually a large part of why I consistently held that some of it was planted. His bag was initially searched at the scene of the arrest, then it was taken by an officer who wasn’t wearing a body cam. The bag was entirely off camera for around 10 minutes. Then when that officer came back with the bag, they searched it again and “found” the journal, manifesto, ghost gun, etc… None of which was noted during their initial search inside of the restaurant.
The police were under an extreme amount of pressure to arrest somebody. Anybody. They needed a patsy. And so my bet right from the start had always been that the evidence was planted.
You’re telling me the dude managed to evade a nationwide manhunt for an entire week, but didn’t think to break up the untraceable ghost gun? It could have been taken apart and scattered into a dozen trash cans, and they never would have found it.
And when people write manifestos, it’s because they expect to get caught and they want their manifesto to be seen. They want to send a specific message. So why would he hide for an entire week if he wanted the manifesto to be found?
The eyebrows don’t match either. Luigi’s were much bigger than the security camera footage of the killer. And anyone who has accidentally over-plucked their eyebrows can attest that they don’t just grow back in a week.
Alas, sometimes smart people do really dumb things now and then.
They had a ton of evidence.
So, pleading guilty he doesnt go infront jury? Weird to give all this up now, not showing remorse even.
Yeah, no jury at all. State charges are still pending, so we’ll see if those continue. Seems unlikely to have a state trial if he’s already plead guilty to federal charges.
I dunno though, I’m not a lawyer.
Sometimes they’ll wait for them to be released from one prison just to arrest and prosecute other charges. Given the state and federal split I would be unsurprised if that happens here.
New York specifically has a very strict double jeopardy law. Stricter than the constitutional double jeopardy.
They won’t be able to convict him after the federal case is done.
Taking a lighter sentence or gambling on the death penalty? I wouldn’t call that weird at all.
Death penalty has been off the table already. He’s still facing up to life for these.
because idiots on lemmy were telling you he was innocent?
Because the police bungled the handling of evidence harder than the ones who arrested OJ.
Sounds like coercion.