Inspired by a post I saw on AskReddit (which has now been removed). What is something you believe is growing because of young people?
I think there’s a lot of compassion among young people. They seem more open to talk about mental health stuff and they take each other’s emotional well being more seriously than us older generations did. That’s my impression from interacting with young people irl.
I think the parents of some of these younger people have been more emotionally available and accepting. The shift sort of happened between boomers and Gen X (I am 100% speaking from personal anecdotal experiences btw) and millennials have in general continued the tendency of being more available to their children.
In my own case, my parents are very old. Like, my dad remembers when we were liberated from the Germans kind of old. I have Gen X siblings who are old enough to be my parents. I have observed how they have raised their kids vs how we were raised. My boyfriend’s parents are around the same age as my oldest sibling and his upbringing was vastly different from mine. His parents, much like my siblings, treated their children with respect and compassion. They built a trust based system with their children, where freedoms were given because they believed their children to be capable of making the right decisions. When their children fucked up, their parents showed disappointment and would converse with them after a cool down period and then the children were trusted to have learned from their mistakes (especially during the teenage years).
My upbringing was based on zero trust and constant assumptions that we would betray our parents. We were in a constant transactional relationship where love and affection was earned, not a given. We were punished severely for minor or perceived mistakes and always made to be the villains in our parents’ lives.
For example, the first time I got really, really drunk, like dangerously drunk, I was still aware enough to beg my friends to not call my parents because I knew that if they found out, I would be housebound and never allowed to have friends again. When my boyfriend, around the same age (16), went through an almost identical situation, his friends called his parents with his permission, and his parents came and picked him up and put him to bed. The next day life returned to normal because his parents knew that he that he knew, it was a bit cringe what he did.
I see it in my peers and my younger sibling, how they raise their kids, with a respect for their children’s emotional integrity. It is a thing I have discussed with many millennials, that we grew up being told that our feelings didn’t matter, that since we were kids, we were barely human and that it was our responsibility to look after the emotions of the adults in our lives.
In my own sibling group, there is a repeating theme of working yourself into stress related illnesses because you have no worth unless you perform. You have been told always that you are a narcissistic, spoiled brat who had everything handed to you, so you work yourself to the bone and you never feel good enough because you were constantly invalidated.
I look at my Gen Z and Gen Alpha nieces and nephews and they are all so much better off in terms of self love and and self worth. They function better in society. They have of course had mental health struggles like most people go through at some point in their confusing youth, but they all seem to have come out the other side with a healthy sense of self. They are good at setting boundaries and they know themselves and what they will and won’t put up with. They are very emotionally mature and kind people.
My siblings and I are almost all semi-broken people who have had to Frankenstein ourselves into something kinda functional as adults. I feel like my older siblings have done a pretty good job, but my younger sibling and I have been through the absolute fucking ringer with dysfunction and mental health struggles when we were kids and teens. We have both struggled with disordered eating, suicidal thoughts, depression, anxiety, nonstop self hatred and a neverending feeling of worthlessness. We have been behind on pretty much everything in terms of education, career and social stuff. I didn’t make long lasting friends until my mid 20s. I didn’t get a degree until 30. I was emotionally immature for my age. I wasted so many years of my 20s wanting to die and feeling like I had no purpose and no future because i kept failing everything I tried to do. I have achieved a lot in my 30s and I still feel like a failure.
I learned unconditional love from strangers and I built a flimsy base for self worth rather recently. Its closer to a raft than a proper ship, but at least, I’m still afloat. I try to show every teen and child in my life that they matter and that I love them as they are because I want to give to them what I almost never got when I was their age. If I hadn’t had my older siblings, I might have developed a personality disorder.
I’m not saying that all Gen Z’ers have great parents and that they are all better off than people from my generation. I know it’s never that simple, and it seems like a lot of Gen Z’ers have also been through a lot of bad shit.
But I do think that there is a general tendency to be more open about mental health in Gen X and Millennial parents that trickles down to their kids (for better or worse).
Having boomer/silent Gen parents is basically the “emotions are scary and must be suppressed at all costs” experience. It is very damaging and it fucks you up to be told by the people who raised you that you’re a spoiled brat who can’t do anything right and no matter how hard you try to please them, it’s never good enough. That absolutely fucks you up and you become everybody’s doormat as an adult.
It was looked down on to be open about your emotions when I was young. I did it anyway because I needed an outlet back then. I think it is generally a good thing that being open emotionally has become more accepted within younger generations. It brings som issues with it, of course. Oversharing and all that, but I think it’s better to be open and vulnerable than to bottle it up your whole life until you break later in life and everybody is like “but he/she seemed so normal”.
Gen Z is better at being vulnerable and putting words to complex and painful emotions.
Angst and hopelessness.
That’s not because of young people, that’s their reaction to the actions of the boomers.
Needoh consumption
Pubic and under arm hair. Body hair in general.
deleted by creator
The consensus in the West that Israel is an unapologetic fascist ethno-state prosecuting a genocide against Palestinians
Not just young people, but they help
more than that, it extends to the us empire.
people seem to recognize that they are the baddies now.
Hey, now. You almost forgot to include the Lebanese people in that list.
They haven’t really done anything comparable to the Lebanese, but there is all kinds of places in the Middle East they covet.
Only because they haven’t had as much time and because Iran (a major ally of Lebanon) is much more capable of fighting back. The Israeli government officials have said similarly genocidal language as they have been saying about Palestinians.
Iran is an ally of Hezbollah, which is actually in competition with the (other?) Lebanese state. Iran’s also pretty tight with Palestinian Hamas.
Yeah, that’s true. Israel was specifically talking about Hezbollah when they said all of those things, but they are absolutely still massacring civilians, regardless of their ties to Hezbollah, as they are trying to seize land.
Iran does monetarilly support Hamas from what I understand, but they did not help militarilly defend either Hamas or Palestinians in Gaza when they were being massacred. It was only after Israel and the US attacked Iran directly that second time did Iran get involved militarilly.
Mocktails and thrifting, in North America.
Huh, interesting. This is something i associate more with millennials
Mocktails are definitely zoomers, IIRC millennials drink more like gen X. If you’re in an area that had the OG hipsters, remember they were all guzzling craft beer.
Thrifting might go back further, but it’s definitely a trend that continues.
Maybe not directly related to young age, but incompetence in problem solving is growing. This could be COVID era fallout.
My kid is a teacher and the newer generation of kids can’t do anything by themselves without explicit direction. They dont know how to help themselves. They have no life learned skill or curiosity, as they possible just were fed screen time as a babysitter.
From what I understand, the kids who can figure things out, they read well, they can problem solve, they’re doing it really well. But the kids that my generation raised on iPads, didn’t work with them, didn’t let them go outside and play, didn’t let them fail, they really really can’t do anything.
It’s not that this generation is ALL fucked. It’s that the gap between the “smart” kids and the kids who got screwed is wider than usual. A lot of these kids are functionally illiterate. If they’re reading a paragraph and come across a word they don’t know, not only can they not figure out how to pronounce it but, they have no idea how to use context clues to figure out what it even means.
My 17 year old niece saw idiocracy for the first time recently. She compared it to half her high school. Some kid made fun of her recently for using the word “peculiar” because it’s apparently a big word no one has ever heard of before.
Social pressure to be dumb is a hell of a drug
Some idiots laughed at me once because I said “space” in a sentence and apparently that was some high science shit 💀 I felt more dumbfounded than bullied?
That’s how my niece felt. Like “how?? What??”
This sounds a lot like gripes that older generations have always had about younger generations.
This sounds a lot like gripes that older generations have always had about younger generations.
But this younger generation is the youngest one yet!
degeneracy is a fun word
You don’t get it, it’s different this time ™
It does till you experience it, and think wtf. Like a sudden dropoff. So maybe all the phone bans across countries is a good thing.
I had a degreed engineer ask me to help them tally the count of screen objects because they kept losing track. There were just over 10 items. I told them they needed to discuss the issue with their manager because clearly that’s a problem.
A solution if you lose track while counting could be hand tally on paper, colour code the objects as you tally, use the system and select them all and read the selection count. But to call tech support for manual counting help is crazy.
The phone bans are a good thing
- person from country that has always had phone bans in schools
They aren’t well enforced (here)
- person from country that has always had phone bans in schools
I had a degreed engineer ask me to help them tally the count of screen objects because they kept losing track. There were just over 10 items. I told them they needed to discuss the issue with their manager because clearly that’s a problem.
Dude, that’s not someone who didn’t learn to count, that’s someone experiencing a cognitive issue or who has a learning disability. Don’t be a dick. Just count the things. Please use your intact senses and faculties to help others when you have the opportunity.
I have a son with Down Syndrome so I know about learning disabilities. It wasn’t just that situation it was their whole approach to the job. As a hired engineer they get standardized training and then are expected to work on projects. This person (and many new recruits) would find that it was easier to call tech support, and then they’d ask us to complete the project and then and send the a file back. Thus me saying dude please talk with your manager.
They get standardized training which does not accommodate their special needs and doesn’t train them for what to do when they have special needs that are not being reasonably addressed by their workplace.
Dude, i gave the extreme example to illustrate, but I have watched the change. The new recruits want others do do the work for them when they get stuck. Like i mentioned in other replies ut wasnt isokated to counting, it was expectation.
My coworker was helping a guy who got stuck so was showing him the steps to solve instead of watching for next time he went on Insta. That’s not learning disabilities it is expectation that somebody else finds out the fix.
The person, as Engineer, asked IT to complete and engineering project for them, because they had another project due. Not only would that not be kosher for an engineering sign off, its also an ask that is ridiculous
Okay, but that sounds like something entirely different, it sounds like they’re cutting corners to do less work.
New recruits understand their job doesn’t matter and they shouldn’t put in any more effort than they have to, it’s the older people that think being an engineer is something to be proud of and put in the effort. What you’re observing is engineers treating their jobs the same as every other worker, because this is how everyone without a college degree has been for decades.
But that’s distinct from someone who struggles with counting to ten, which can only be described as a disability.
You sound like someone who can’t count to ten
Actually I’m someone that has a panic disorder. Instead of getting reasonable accomodations, I’m punished for having panic attacks. I’m sure the boomers think it’s because I’m a weak-minded young person or whatever.
But go off.
Even in the context that the person couldn’t count easily called the it help desk, they could raise it as an accessibility issue.
And the fun thing is, disability is the one minority group that anybody can join, if something bad happens to them, and making things more accessibile for the disabled usually improves the lives of everyone! Like curb cuts and elevators helping parents with strollers in greater numbers than the wheelchairs they are designed for.
Disability can even be temporary. A mother who cannot put her child down experiences life with one arm and mobility issues. Accommodating disability helps everyone, as you say.
That does sound extreme, but no more insane than older people who can’t complete basic tasks in a word professor application.
Not being able to count to the teens is beyond insane.
It’s not that they “can’t count to the teens”. The wording used in the OP was that they keep “losing track”. That’s very different and could suggest some kind of visual processing or attention issue rather than not understanding basic numeracy. Those kinds of issues are common intellectual disabilities that people can still succeed with if they find the right mechanisms to allow them to do the same tasks as other people.
I was born just before the death of the floppy disk and the number of people I’ve met who can say “I bet you don’t know what’s that symbol is based on” while also not knowing it saves your work is the reason I’m in mental health instead of tech.
Stupid has nothing to do with age.
It’s not insane, it’s divergent. There could be many reasons behind it.
Its one example, but the new engineers coming in expect people to solve their problem while they check their insta. Literally had my tech guy deployed to help a new engineer, as our guy demonstrates the software steps to solve the issue the guy needing help is doing personal social media checks… He though people just come do it for you when you get stuck. We have even had young supposed IT staff call in for support and they clearly have no skills on solving issues.
I think you might have replied to the wrong comment? I’m not sure how what you’ve posted is connected to what I wrote.
I actually never understood that part. Like VCR clocks flashing. Especially when this lady exists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVI6SCtVu4c
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Ok Clint Eastwood
This has been going on for generations. The world used to be a much more dyi, less prepackaged place. Each generation does less and less for themselves. I see the difference between my father’s generation and my own as well as between my generation and later ones. Shit, my grandfather built his own fucking house.
People once complained about people reading newspapers on public transit.
Nothing has actually changed.
I have a 12 yo. Definitely a different childhood than I had, but not less helpless or ignorant than I was at that age. Less curious, i.e. in school and sciences, but that could be just a personality thing.
There are exceptions, but overall there a decline in self help or curiosity for self learning. We even see it at work with the new engineers.
I’m in the picture and i don’t like it.
I don’t want to read the 5 page manual when i only want o know a paragraph’s worth of informaion from it. The problem is, which paragraph 😭
And if i read the whole thing and remembered it, I would have a more complete mental model for next time.
But I’m typically drawn to breadth rather than depth. I read the whole TIS-100 game manual, but don’t usually manage to read man pages in full.
To be fair, it’s a cracker of a manual, and you cannot finish the game without being pretty familiar with it.
Yeah, it is one of the best manuals I’ve ever read.
Well certainly not Lemmy it seems.
I suggest that youth or young adults are a core contingent of pretty much every antifascist and climate movement. Those movements are growing as well.
The dicks of people in the Epstein files who are still not prosecuted
It’s hard to imagine why they would remove it; I can’t think of a way that this topic would be objectionable to anyone.
You’d be surprised, matey.
Conservative ideology.
Yeah, fascism.
Young people aren’t having babies. This is a growing global problem. It’s going to get so bad that we won’t have enough people to do all the work needed to support retirees.
It’s going to lead to unrest in many countries as normal services become unmanned and unreliable.
People are finally realizing that the current state of the world is abysmal for bringing a child into. My wife and I don’t plan on kids anyway, but even if we did, there’s no way in hell we could afford to within the next decade, not to mention how irresponsible it feels to introduce a new life to this fascist shithole.
I cannot believe my brother chose to have kids. There’s no chance in hell I’d subject another human to this.
I would not even bring a dog into this world, let alone a human.
Adopt one? Absolutely. Intentionally breed for puppies? Hell no.
This is only a problem if you view humans as more important than the rest of the living world. Like all of it.
This one’s easily solved by removing restrictions on immigration
Not really. No country has all the resources to make or assembly all the critical items we all consume. We need people where they are so they can continue to make/produce/assemble.
This is the worst argument against immigration I’ve ever heard
I’m not anti-immigration. Immigration is not the fix for how the world will deal with declining birth rates world wide, leading to a large gap between the number of available laborers and the number of laborers needed to keep things running smoothly.
Immigration only works if one country has more people than jobs while another country has more jobs than people.
What we’re headed into right now is more jobs than people by a LOT.
Also, Japan is a country that hit this problem early on (they culturally don’t have much immigration) and found that it’s also possible to export your dumb jobs to other countries that also buy the things they are making, keeping only the ones they are really good at in-country while scraping all the revenue from their exported labor. This only works because other countries were a little slower to run into this birth rate issue.
Most of these problems fall back to WW2 and the massive amount of babies that were born afterwards.
It’s only really the hyper developed countries that are experiencing the massive drop off in birth rates, so immigration would actually help this problem significantly.
Also, the lack of immigration in Japan is as much a matter of policy as it is everywhere else. Their government heavily discourages migrant labour (due in part to cultural racism), which has made their plummeting birth rate much more of a problem than it needs to be.
It’s not going to be enough.
Birth rates aren’t going to magically turn around, immigration isn’t going to magically fix it.
Ultimately, so what? What is the problem you are attempting to prevent? Declining population is not per se a problem.
In the UK we are hellbent on completely cutting immigration, and the same people who want to stop immigration also don’t want to do anything to help more young people become more financially stable which would naturally lead to more births. Neoliberalism put us in the hole and people think fascism will get us out.
Speaking personally, I genuinely couldn’t afford to have kids as well as pay for a mortgage/rent and own a car. If I can’t get a mortgage or pay rent, I’m living with my parents forever. If I can’t have a car, I can’t get around very well because public transport where I live is shit. Therefore limited work options. So the obvious choice is to not have kids.
I agree this is going to become an even bigger problem in the future, if wealth inequality continues to grow and young people are left with a feeling of hopelessness unable to have a respectable quality of life.










