Don’t use eos if mobile security matters at all to you. It’s also not nearly as private as GrapheneOS and frequently phones home to Google.

my primary reasoning for an android alternative is to get out of google’s walled garden and security is 2nd.

the only aspect of mobile security that matters to me is that which protects me from national gov’ts & police and working as a software engineer & systems administrator for the last 20+ years has taught me that i’m hopelessly outclassed. so i chose to focus my efforts in the arenas where i can have any sort of impact and not financially supporting google is the only impact i can have. buying a pixel (either new or used) goes against this because i either give google the money for a new one or i help google with future sales by boosted pixel resale values with a used one.

i’ll be in line to buy a graphene device as soon as it’s available for something other than a pixel.

What do you mean by give Google more?

i’ve been stuck in google’s walled garden since the early 2000’s because i foolishly bought into their old “don’t be evil” motto; so they have all my text messages, phone calls, contacts, emails, location data, pictures, etc. and i don’t doubt that they’ve made a lot of profit from knowing all the details of my life and i don’t want to give them any more.

i’ve also never had good luck buying personal electronics second hand and buying one second hand helps their resale value.

i want to use graphene, but i don’t want to use a pixel (nor any new google offering) more.

eBay was the final straw for me. Lol

I bought a phone from them and it got stolen because FedEx put the package outside the building (instead of inside like usual) and neither eBay, nor the seller, nor cash app will cover the loss so I’ve excised all 3 from my life permanently.

in your shoes: i would take a look at the file and delete it if it’s empty or if you don’t have a need for openvpn.

be warned, though, that openvpn might be a dependency for something else; so it may be smarter to rename it and see what breaks. (then restore it if it turns out to break something needful).

eos looks the most likely to me because of the partnership with murena; but i still hesitate because my sub-part experience using international brands within the united states and all of the lineage phones are either prohibitively ancient or international.

do you have any information on movement with any oems & graphene?

it looks like /usr/lib/sysusers.d/rpm-openvpn-sysuser.conf has some customizations made to it and if you don’t know why, it warrants looking into it.

these are warning messages, so your packages probably installed fine, but it would do that part that touched the file.

my collegues pay $$$ more apps that can do this and you should consider it; it reads like a shit ton of work.

most seem to recommend graphene, but it’s a non-starter for me since i refuse to give google more than i (unwittingly) already have.

thanks graphene is a non-starter for me since i refuse to give google anything more than i (unwittingly) already have.

I used it with a stock system so not aftermarket. Do you have any specific reason to believe aftermarket systems wouldn’t work? If they support android auto you should be fine.

ALL of the internationally branded phones i’ve had (mostly chinese) had compatability quirks with my aftermarket jvc head unit.

if well known brands like xioami or oppo wasn’t compatible, it seemed less likely that an enthusiast project would support it.

also: graphene is a non-start for me since it requires a pixel and i refuse to give google anything more than i already (unwittingly) have.

i only buy factory unlocked phones and i’ve never had good luck buying used phones from others; there was also something wrong with them and some esoteric policy at the places i purchased them from wouldn’t let me get a refund, so i’ve stopped trying.

I pretty much stick to straight bash and core utils, so it’s not much of a burden…

this has worked fairly well for me too and i’ve applied this logic to a few desktop environment apps that are seemingly ubiquitous in all of the distros.

though, i still admire (and sometimes envy) the customizations that people make to their environments.

i don’t blame them; until now all social media was under a centralized control that got to own the content and got do with it as they pleased as a a result. (eg reddit).

it’s going to take a while to go back to sharing this content on social media like it used to be and that’s assuming that it will ever go back at all.

it makes me wish that someone with 3d printers would offer to print things out for other people small fee.

i’ve got lots of broken plastic things that i glued/duck-taped/melted together because they were integral to how something (most appliances) function and i would pay someone to copy and print out a replica of it so that i can replace it.

reading these comments had me wondering if i was the only dinosaur around. lol

it’s worse than that; people who’ve never done it are empowered to make decisions on it.

i’m convinced that this is why lemm.ee grew so quickly; most of the apps defaulted to it.

i used to do this, but couldn’t figure out how to stay on top of the changes introduced by distro’s and updates to the apps; did you figure these out somehow?

i loathe the idea of giving google more money, so lineage via eos & murena is most likely the path i’ll take. and also, none of my phones are compatible so i’ll have to get a new phone.

i learned the hard way through buying chinese brands that international phones are hit-&-miss with wireless android auto (wired android auto works fine) and all of murena’s offerings are international. plus some bands are also not supported w international phones so they sometimes get poor coverage in some places like underground parking garages in the united states.

that’s only reason why i haven’t pulled this trigger yet and i vacillate for a couple of reasons and i think that the second biggest is that i ultimately plan to stop using this car and wonder if it’s best to wait until wireless android auto stops being a requirement.

(banking apps can be hit or miss, and the Uber app I believe blocked it).

but this is still the biggest reason. personal testimonials show me if the apps i want to use are supported

Hadn’t heard of IodeOS either until seeing that chart. They also seem a bit slower than Lineage for certain updates, but for the more privacy minded, may be the best option for non-pixel folks.

the price points w iode are much better murena but that nothing phone looks really nice.

… certain apps especially banking apps.

are you aware of any lists for this like other one you shared?