It’s interesting to me that nowhere in the article and really nowhere in the comments does anyone raise the question of why do the Faroe Islanders do these hunts in the first place?
Obviously people living close to the sea have always gotten large portions of their diet from seafood, so are they actually preserving and eating all of the whale/dolphin meat they are harvesting?
If so then it doesn’t seem to me like a question of should the hunt be banned, unless we also want to discuss banning all other forms of hunting and animal husbandry.
It seems instead that we should be asking if they are doing it less humanely than other forms of hunting or animal husbandry, and if so what can be done to reduce the whales’ suffering?Wow, there are a lot of pieces of fucking shit on this thread.
Arm the whales
Hear me out: Stab vests, like the constables have, but for whales.
Constable Odo didn’t have a Stab Vest.
Jesus… OK so I get this has gone on for a long time. However, I feel with advances in tech and tools, 700 is probably way more than that used to get years ago before this better tools. Maybe they should stop when a limit is reached? 100 years ago there’s no way it would’ve been as many.
I think the answer lies in how sustainable is the population after modern culls, how humanely is it done and is all the meat eaten by locals.
how humanely is it done
You can’t “humanely” murder a living, sentient being with emotions and the capacity to feel fear and pain who doesn’t want to die. (Along with their family in the case of the Grind.)
and is all the meat eaten by locals.
You know, I’ve never seen “but your honor, I ate the entire body” used as a mitigating factor at a murder trial, but you do you, boo.
In this context “humanely” refers to killing them with as little suffering as possible, generally meaning to do so as quickly and painlessly as possible so the animal does not need to live in pain any longer than necessary before dying.
It does seem strange to me to do this with whales, but I also eat meat, so I’m in no real place to judge.
any longer than necessary
“Any longer than necessary” is literally any suffering in this context because it’s wholly superfluous. Even on that note, if I walked outside today and were killed by a skilled marksman, I probably wouldn’t feel a single thing; that’s still not “humane” because it still didn’t need to happen.
but I also eat meat, so I’m in no real place to judge.
No, I really think you are and that meat eaters resign themselves too quickly to this attitude to resolve the cognitive dissonance and avoid feeling hypocritical. I’m vegan and haven’t used animal products for years, but I didn’t drop everything one day. I thought “huh, you know, killing cows and pigs for no real reason seems kind of fucked up.” This extended to chickens and then extended to fish as I increasingly realized I was using the same excuses. I look back and realize how hypocritical I was being at each stage, but it still made me work toward change.
Never putting yourself in a place to judge is putting yourself in a place where you’re perpetually stuck.
Damn,I wish someone would humanely murder me.
So you are entirely unaware that a large part of organic evolution on this planet has proceeded by species predation. Or are you aware of it but are simply sliding the definition of words to a disgusting degree to make woke points. Let us be clear what you are saying, animal husbandry for meat production is in your mind correctly defined as murder. So a man murdering a child is equivalent in your view to a man eating a steak, you are so willing to make your self righteous claims that you would allow the severity of child murder to be diminished.
So you are entirely unaware that a large part of organic evolution on this planet has proceeded by species predation.
A large part of organic evolution on this planet has proceeded by rape. Why do I care when considering human ethics? This appeal to nature is always flimsily brought out, and it’s always obviously fallacious.
Or are you aware of it but are simply sliding the definition of words to a disgusting degree to make woke points.
Oops, you dropped the w-word; I’m sorry nobody here can take you seriously anymore, although the rest of your comment is just strawmanning garbage not worth addressing in the first place.
Edit: I guess Lemmy doesn’t find it even a little strange that they’re siding with an ideology that power over others justifies cruelty and that opposition to that is “woke”.
But you cannot answer it can you.
What are you even talking about? The fact that you’re calling it “woke” tells me that there’s no productive conversation to be had with you. You’re saying in obvious bad-faith that calling the intentional killing of a living, sentient being for pleasure “murder” is equating killing e.g. a cow with killing a human child, but that’s obviously ridiculous; there are degrees of severity to morally wrong actions.
You do this all the time; everyone does this all the time. If I see somebody kick a harmless dog, I’d call that “abuse”; you wouldn’t come up and start lecturing me about how “woke” I’m being because I’m diminishing human victims of abuse who are brutally beaten, starved, etc. by their family members.
I phrased my reply that way precisely because you are using emotive human terms incorrectly to illicit a response but you cannot see it. Animals mating without human formalised consent is not rape and culling or predating wild animals or humanely slaughtering livestock is not murder, at least not in the sense you are trying to force. They are human terms and not applicable, also why did it take you so long to tell us you are vegan and have much higher developed sensibilities than the rest of us.
I hate to feel like this… but we are doomed.
Compare Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump.
But Faroe islands are not part of Britain?
This is (I assume) what The Independent is referencing in the subheader. “Push to ban the hunts” would mean putting pressure on the Faroe Islands to ban it.
It’s the same story every year. And it’s a bunch of pearl clutching second grade journalism, if you ask me.
These are animals that have lived free, beautiful lives in their natural habitats. Then they are killed and eaten, with no deliberate cruelty involved. Circle of life.
If we want to reduce animal cruelty, look towards the massive scale of factory farming, not at the 700 animals that are hunted by a small indigenous community.
look towards the massive scale of factory farming, not at the 700 animals that are hunted by a small indigenous community.
We are allowed to do both at the same time.
If we want to reduce animal cruelty, look towards the massive scale of factory farming
How about not rounding up hundreds of highly intelligent beings and their families to murder them for no reason. And don’t give me your whataboutist bullshit about “muh factory farms”; I don’t use those either. 9 times out of 10, the people I see citing factory farms in cases like this deliberately use factory farms all the time and simply want an excuse for inaction. Shit like this needs to end too and can trivially end.
These are animals that have lived free, beautiful lives in their natural habitats.
So are you, so come here. We’ll just chase you into an alley, put a hook through your nose, and cut your spine; no deliberate cruelty involved (besides the deliberate, brutal, totally superfluous murder).
Wow that is one extremely aggressive response to what I thought was a relatively sensible comment. I’m sorry if I upset you.
It’s not whatsboutism, it’s a question of scale. Attention is a finite resource, and I think you should place it where it matters most.
There is a post-colonial dimension to Grindadráp that is rarely mentioned by the media. And that matters more to me personally than the lives of the whales.
How about not rounding up hundreds of highly intelligent beings and their families to murder them for no reason.
If they’re so intelligent, why do they let themselves be rounded up to be murdered year after year?
“If humans are so intelligent, why did they let me chase them into my murder chamber? Riddle me that, liberals!”
Understand that I would eat you with no compunction whatsoever. You’re just another animal to me.
ok
sounds hot
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