China has approved a sweeping new law which claims to help promote “ethnic unity” - but critics say it will further erode the rights of minority groups.
On paper, it aims to promote integration among the 56 officially recognised ethnic groups, dominated by the Han Chinese, through education and housing. But critics say it cuts people off from their language and culture.
It mandates that all children should be taught Mandarin before kindergarten and up until the end of high school. Previously students could study most of the curriculum in their native language such as Tibetan, Uyghur or Mongolian.
Well for one there is an ongoing genocide in China. Unless you are tanky there really is no denying this. This is exactly the same sort of laws the US passed under the same pretenses. So yeah, genocide.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ASA1741372021ENGLISH.pdf
You don’t need to be a “tanky” to deny this. You just need to care about sources. Do they have any?
Whenever I dig into the sources for these reports they come down to the same handful:
I stopped believing in the Xinjiang genocide when I realized I couldn’t find a single source that I could independently corroborate and most of the “sources” I was able to find receive over 90% of their funding from the US government or were created by the US government.
Just about every Muslim country in the world denies on this claim. It seems that the only countries that try to claim a “Xinjiang Genocide” are the same ones that cheer every time the US bombs another Muslim country.
Yeah, I will trust Amnesty International over China any day. There are, of course many other sources.
https://www.icij.org/investigations/china-cables/xinjiang-police-files-uyghur-mugshots-detention/
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/gallery/2023/dec/28/china-prison-camps-xinjiang-kazakhstan-uyghurs-kazakhs-in-pictures
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/14/the-faux-anti-imperialism-of-denying-anti-uighur
https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/countries/china/chinese-persecution-of-the-uyghurs
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/19/break-their-lineage-break-their-roots/chinas-crimes-against-humanity-targeting
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/china-calls-it-re-education-but-uyghur-muslims-say-its-unbearable-brutality
https://dergipark.org.tr/tr/download/article-file/4899186
https://www.rferl.org/a/china-strict-rules-islam-xinjiang/32798502.html
https://publish.illinois.edu/illinijournalofinternationalsecurity/blog/2019-spring-blogs/forced-internment-of-muslim-minority-in-china-concentration-camps-or-job-training/
The dramatic decline in births, restrictions of practicing their faith, sterilization, and internment all point to a slow burn genocide like the Native Americans experienced once they were put onto reservations.
When I was in grade school I would have gotten reamed for trying to cite any of these as sources. It should go without saying that they should be primary sources, not periodicals.
Does a single one of those links cite even a single reliable source?
You don’t need to trust China. Just use the basic critical reasoning we we taught in school.
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That’s not critical reasoning. It’s just bigotry.
I didn’t even think of it like that. Yes, China is engaging in bigotry with their Muslim population.
It truly is bizarre the US, the most barbaric country ever, treats it Muslims better than China.
Also interesting parallels between slavery and forced labor China has made the Muslims engage in. Obviously China is fascist light compared to the US, but they sure are trying hard to make a name as the newest fascist nation to the block.
Anecdotes and intuition are useful tools but hard evidence is more reliable.
China certainly has its share of bigots. While the majority of China’s Muslims are concentrated in Xinjiang, they have huge Muslim populations all over the country. Shanghai, despite being a relatively young city, has mosques that were built before Europeans discovered America. Muslims have been integrated into the myths and culture of China for centuries.
It’s a bit of a stretch to call the US, “the most barbaric country ever”. There are some horrific policies and practices here but history is full of horrors. Look up “the tree” from the killing fields if you want a depressing read. It’s also a stretch to say the treat Muslims better than China. When I wandered around various parts of China, Muslims would roll prayer mats out on the street to pray and nobody would bat an eye. Public parks frequently have enclosed prayer areas. China has more mosques than the US and Europe combined. I was only there for a month but I saw a bunch of Muslims and no signs of oppression.
While there are clearly problems with China, “fascism” is entirely the wrong word to describe it. The “forced labor” story has no backing. China has huge rural populations and a comparatively small (by population) but growing industrial and commercial sector. The overwhelming trend is that there’s a line of people for any job opening in cities. Companies often have to offer overtime because they can’t find applicants for regular 9-5 jobs. A rampant hustle culture may not be good for people psychologically but they’re not running sweatshops and they have nothing to do with slavery.
China has been actively suppressing its Muslim community including altering mosques to look more “Chinese”. I mean the government is literally doing the work of the bigots. It is obvious they feel their culture is inferior. Classic imperialism.
This should come in no surprise as China actively attacked it own culture during the cultural revolution where the ruling authoritarians determined the winners and losers at the incredible cost of diversity.
I don’t think you understand just how much death the US has caused. Just sanctions alone have killed 25 million people since the Cold War. The US is responsible for the greatest attacks on civilian populations and loss of life ever (firebombing of Tokyo and the atomic bombs).
The US has spread fascism around the entire world including China. A lot of people missed that the Tiananmen protests were against allowing capitalism into China. The people lost and the government has been marching into fascism ever since.
In spreading fascism the US has toppled more countries than any nation ever. Often replacing democratic or socialist governments with authoritarian dictatorships. They also helped kill countless “leftists” around the world to prevent the spread of communism. We are talking tens of millions of civilians dead.
It is not just with bombs that we kill countless people but also our technology. The US being responsible for an epidemic of lead poisoning, poisoning every single human with forever chemicals, poisoning every single human with micro plastics, causing global warming, etc. The US will have killed billions by the time this is all over.
From double tapping schools to unbelievable cruelty to its own populace with the War on Drugs, the sterilization of Puerto Rico, Tuskegee experiments, segregation, slavery, race based incarceration, and so much much more. I think you vastly underestimate the barbarism the US has and will continue to commit.
If I started reading off all the atrocities the US has committed throughout history I would literally be dead before I can finish them all. This is not an exaggeration.
Fascism is exactly what I would describe China as. They are practicing unfettered capitalism that is evidenced by creating more billionaires than the US last and this year. You don’t get there by being socialist or communists. The blatant authoritarianism, hyper nationalism, scapegoating minorities. I mean I will be honest. There is not one thing China does not check off for fascism.
Fascism is of course a scale, maybe China’s version is better than the US version at the moment? I would gather it is. China has also stepped into the world of manufacturing arms and is now arguably the world’s fifth largest producer supplying conflict regions with death. Do you think their military industrial complex is going to magically shrink?
I think your rose colored glasses are so thick you couldn’t balance them on your head.
Yes they are overhanded when addressing terrorism with “education camps”, but I don’t think their intent is to erase their culture. If Israel acted like the Chinese towards their minorities then the world would look very different.
Fair enough. Yes, they are definitely no Isreal shudder
So your evidence of genocide is a report which never makes the claim that what took place in Xinjiang was a genocide? 🤦♂️
I think the claims of genocide are closely tied to sterilization, interment, and the dramatic drop in births as a result of these practices.
Are you denying the first hand accounts of all these people. I hope not.
Source: anonymous interviews
The reeducation camps have been closed since 2019, you’ve had 7 years to educate yourself but you’d rather repeat reddit comment propaganda because it suits your “China bad” mindset
The Uyghurs were explicitly exempt from single-child policy, you uneducated twat, they attained majority-status in Xinjiang as a consequence… The largest predictors for fall in birthrates are female educational level and economic development, both of which have surged in Xinjiang over the past 20 years
They experienced an almost 60% drop in births compared to the average of about 10% according to the most dramatic report I read.
https://studentreview.hks.harvard.edu/intent-to-destroy-reproductive-violence-against-uyghurs-as-a-weapon-of-genocide-in-china/
The reason you are so against this truth is because it proves that China is without a doubt a fascist entity enacting genocide.
Credit where credit is due China lifted a lot of people out of poverty by embracing capitalism. This is all part of their fascist journey.
Idk, maybe I’m just skeptical of interviews conducted by a guy who doesn’t speak the language, is associated with nutty right wing organizations, and who claims he was ordained by god to battle the communist party of China? You understand that listening to a guy like that is basically the same as listening to people who claim they have evidence that Biden stole the 2020 election right? Just because the AP reported on his claims and Amnesty cites them doesn’t make them a reliable source of truth.
It’s also not like anything say idk, economic development could lead to a drop in birth rates. No, that’s never happened. I guess Han Chinese people are also subject to a genocide then. Even more so because while it’s a well known fact that the one child policy didn’t apply to Uyghurs, it certainly did apply to Han Chinese.
I personally don’t care for any of the current fascist superpowers. That makes it easy to criticize and not make up excuses.
Okay so let me get this straight, you don’t like any of the current fascist superpowers. However, you’re so eager to believe a guy who’s funded by fascist organizations. You know, fascist organizations that openly support the incredibly well documented genocide Israel is currently committing. Make that make sense. Being skeptical about what fascists say has no bearing on whether or not you have to care about China!
Except that China is a fascist country at this point. I get you don’t think they are because of your bias, but the sad reality is they are providing arms to conflict zones and producing more billionaires than the US. They are clearly not communist/socialist.
Whether or not you think China is fascist has no bearing on how much you should trust other fascist organizations.
I can agree with that.