From the founder of Wildberries …
“There are no words to describe all the feelings and emotions caused by the attacks on ordinary people, on our employees, on us, who are simply doing our jobs,” she wrote on Telegram. “But these situations demonstrate the most important thing: we must continue to do what we do for the benefit of people.”
My take:
-
yes, Wildberries did sell and store drone components, single mode bare fiber and such stuff, but not on a world-changing scale, they most likely supplied smallish drone makers, not big ones
-
legally, this makes them a target, but actual damage from a burning Wildberries warehouse to Russian warfighting capability is small
-
meanwhile the presence of civilian employees and a great amount of totally unrelated goods discourages attacking them, and strongly advises to plan any attacks in a way to minimize loss of life
-
anyway, Ukraine has finally decided to attack them, property damage is likely quite big, not sure about loss of life
-
this will cause Russian air defense a great deal of trouble, since they have to reshuffle their defenses (they are already over-extended)
-
but, this does not remove Russia’s sources of income, just genrally f**ks with their economy and causes dissatisfafaction and uncertainty
So overall, I’m not cheering, but I’m not condemning it either.
It’s roughly equivalent to Russia bombing UkrPochta (they’ve done it) with the justification that its warehouses contain Chinese drone parts arriving into Ukraine. Reading directly, not a super bright move - militarily, a target of very low relevance. It could give an advantage through secondary effects.
Ending the war is eventually going to come down to dissatisfaction from the people in Russia, and them eventually doing something to stop their leadership from forcing them to suffer. I think this is likely a smart move, even if it doesn’t affect the frontlines much.
Eventually the cost and lack of fuel, along with the general lack of goods, will lead to the Russian people taking a stand. They should live up to their history and overthrow their modern emperor, who’s living a life of luxury while they suffer an endless war.
-
I bet she had the same feelings about Ukrainian civilians. Right?.. Right?
Wildberries were forced by Putin into a merger with Russ Group. Then became part of the military supply chain. They are using them to bypass sanctions on military goods. Wildberries was already selling body armor and helmets to civilians. Now they are a military supplier.
Maybe quit selling products used by the Russian invaders then.
She has no clue as to the actions of Russia on Ukraine.
She is just a definition of being cynical.
She’s been radicalized by the attack. This was a big problem for the USA in Vietnam.
These terror attacks strengthen Russian resolve.
Ukraine was also radicalized by Russian strikes on civilian apartments, hospitals, theaters, railway stations, markets, schools and power infrastructure (in the middle of winter no less). Or are those legitimate military targets now?
Legitimate targets supplying the Russian war machine. FTFY.
Legitimate attacks or not, they will radicalize Russians more and provide fuel for Russia’s propaganda machine in the same way that Russian attacks on Ukrainian schools, apartment complexes, hospitals, etc have stengthened Ukrainian resolve.
Using such attacks to destroy infrastructure, supply lines, etc to reduce Russian effectiveness at the frontlines seems fair enough to me, but using it as a psychological tool to convince Russians that they’re on the wrong side is completely moronic imo and ignores a lot of historic evidence that terror just doesn’t work that way.
It doesn’t matter anymore friend. This is mutually assured destruction. Neither side is getting out of this fight ever again. In a thousand years if we haven’t wiped our pitiful species off the face of the earth Russia will be fighting Ukraine, Israel will be fighting Palestine, and India will be fighting Pakistan. You get that right? This war doesn’t end until Russia and Ukraine are both extinct. Putin has made it perfectly clear that radical or not he is not going to let Ukraine go. Ukraine will never live under Russian boots again, not while a single Ukrainian draws breath anywhere in the world. There is no win condition, it’s just mindless violence now.
Newsflash: business associates of rapists upset that they are being treated as business associates of rapists. Treating business associates of rapists like business associates of rapists will make the business associates of rapists upset.
Holy fucking eye roll
Ukraine has limited manpower compared to Russia, and thus needs to take every step possible to reduce the ability for Russia to supply its military, including procurement services such as those provided by Wildberries.
Is this a third wave? Anyone have the bingo board or some kind of %? I know the first wave hit around 15% of their storage capacity.
The new face of war where private companies become legit military targets. The Ukrainians are fighting 10 years in the future.
The moment any private company works with the military they become a valid military target.
If they don’t like it, fuck em. They can choose not to take blood money any time they want.
That’s why AWS Datacenters were hit by Iran a few months ago.
Correct. They made themselves valid targets.
Okay obviously fuck Russia, but how is this not a war crime?
By Wildberries being a military supplier?
Details? The article quotes Zelenskyy, who said that the site is “involved in providing the Russian army with drone components, navigation equipment and other gear,” but even taking that at face value, there’s no information on how much and whether there were significant quantities of these things in the warehouses that got bombed. The principle of proportionality matters here, because a warehouse that contains two rifles meant for the Russian army and a thousand shirts headed for Russian civilians is still a civilian target and bombing it would still be a war crime. I for one doubt commercial warehouses are a significant source of arms for Russia, and it’s entirely possible that this
“The collateral damage from such strikes could also have a serious impact on the Russian economy, as well as a psychological effect on Russian society and, likely, on continued support for the war.”
Is the real aim of the bombings. I’m not saying it’s 100% a war crime, but at the very least it’s very disappointing that the article makes no attempt to confirm whether the Ukrainian claims here hold.
They literally address it in the article. Military hardware and drone components were readily available on the website even after the attacks. What else do you want to see?
Besides, it’s not like Russia has given a shit about war crimes since they invaded. They commit them daily. Acting like Ukraine should be following the rules that Russia has torn to shreds for 4-years is…idiotic.
Not sure if your posts are bad faith/intentional misdirection or simple stupidity. Either way, it’s not a good look for you. Do better.
What else do you want to see?
Like I said, that these things were going to the Russian army in significant numbers and that the warehouses bombed included them in significant numbers.
Acting like Ukraine should be following the rules that Russia has torn to shreds for 4-years is…idiotic.
That’s not how international law (or, for that matter, basic morality) works. Zionists use this same rhetoric to justify Israeli war crimes, but it’s wrong then and it’s wrong now. International law (and, again, basic morality) applies to all countries independent of whether anyone else is following it, because bombing civilians is bad period and shouldn’t be done unless there’s no alternative. Charred bodies of innocents aren’t any less abhorrent when they’re Russian; if international law/basic morality only applies when the other side is the Bad Guy™ then we might as well toss the whole damn thing in the trash. Terror bombing was and is bad even when done to Nazis, or we should all be celebrating 9/11.
They show in the article that Wildberries sells body armor which is clearly in the category of military/dual use. That doesn’t address your point about proportionality though, nor do I think it can be addressed easily without proper data backing up the claims. It’s on Ukraine though to provide that data to make it clear to the world that they’re attacking legitimate targets and not committing war crimes, especially with the deaths of quite a few civilians.
Thank you that’s exactly what I’m trying to say.
