Members of Kibbutz Hanita are suing the Chinese-controlled Ballet Vision fund for refusing to buy their remaining stake in an intraocular lens plant, citing losses and what it says is a Chinese government ban on new investments in Israel since the war
hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…
but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.
China was never the ‘bad guy’…
They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<
If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.
…
I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.
If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.
Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.
Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.
If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.
So here’s the thing: I’m reading all these anti-ICE news articles from within the US, but I go on baidu and qq news and can’t find a thing criticizing Xi Jinping… hmmm… weird right? Why is that you think?
If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.
As an Naturalized American citizen born in China, I’d say if you are white and have birthright citizenship, you are, on average, in a better position than an average Han Chinese born in China. Maybe this would change in the future, but I’d still say for the time being, US is still better, at least if you are white.
There are edge scenarios where an Han Chinese couldpotentially have a better life in China, but that’s not the case for my family. I lived in a shitty part of Guangzhou that tourists don’t get to see, just like tourists visiting the US don’t typically go to Flint Michigan, or Kensington, Philadelphia, PA
Also FUCKING HUKOU I was BORN IN GUANGZHOU and they never give me Guangzhou Hukou status… so my family are just treated as second class residents. Me and my brother were not allowed in Guangzhou Public schools. Our Hukou was inherited from parents, and they are from Taishan, its rural. So my parents ended up paying for privately-run schools that are lower quality of education in Guangzhou cuz otherwise we’d be left behind in the village and that would’ve been even more depressing.
And my parents had to be either busy working all day, or be looking for work the entire day. Didn’t see them often, sometimes grandma wasn’t even available to look over us and mom took me to work.
And don’t get me started on the One Child Policy that NEARLY resulted in me being forcibly aborted by the CCP against my mother’s wishes. Fuck them. They sterilized my mother for the policy violation.
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of the world as black and white good guys bad guys. You’re not in a Hollywood movie.
You as a powerless citizen have way more in common with other powerless citizens in every single country than you do with you government, and your government have way more in common with any other government than they do with you. You’re just a human, not a Chinese human or a Norwegian human or a South African human or an American human. Those are just constructs that change over time.
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.
OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government?
Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?
It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.
Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.
In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.
I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.
…
hm.
In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of melike, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.
one data point: there was big protests near the end of COVID-19, they chose to lift the lockdown instead of doing a 1989. i don’t know how many were arrested or what happened to them, though.
Tank man? The guy who blocked the column of tanks leaving Tienanmen Square, then climbed on top of the tank to yell at the tank commander?
IDK, the tank commanders are probably trained to hide in the tank if someone climbs on top. It’d probably look goofier as the guy runs around the top trying to get in while the commander asks him to leave.
Welcome to the land of critical thinking. Whether your take on China is objectively, or provably right or wrong, your take on the US is not generating any argument and that says a lot in itself.
There’s still a lot of room in critical thinking land (thanks to social media and propaganda) so make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair and enjoy making your own decisions about things.
I will argue this to libs all day long, but with actual leftists, there’s a lot of “critical” when it comes to critically supporting China, especially if you’re looking at historical foreign policy after the sino-soviet split.
China is not bad. Well, it is, but its better than the US. Well, not better than the US right now, but will improve to be better than the US in some undefined amount of time. Well, not really improve, but the US will become worse… Maybe, I guess
I’m glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can’t ignore ask follow up nonsense
Lol it’s funny seeing you guys operate outside of hexbear. You can’t ban anyone who pushes back because you don’t control the community, but you still have to let them know you punished them somehow.
… huh.
man.
hate to state what some might consider obvious, but this is actually a novel thought for a critter like me–something that has been raised entirely immersed in bullshit propaganda for its entire life…
but uh, wow, a lot of the propaganda I’ve had shoveled down my gullet all along has just been straight up false, hasn’t it.
China was never the ‘bad guy’…
They are literally upstaging the united states in every way. Quite possibly they have been for a long time and I’m only just now capable of seeing it since the illusion of civil rights and humane decency has gone up in smoke here in the US what with the government’s quiet repressive acts now becoming VERY VERY LOUD. >.<
If China even is sending squads of state sponsored domestic terrorist masked goons to murder their own civilians like the US federal government is, people either aren’t making a lot of noise about it or their media control apparatus has kept a lid on it better than the US has.
…
I would’ve been sarcastic about that in the past but now I am honestly and truthfully of an open mind here for possibly the first time in my life. I had believed my mind was open in the past but there are some presuppositions that have just … suddenly stopped holding water.
If China really is better than the United States in every metric, I sure hope more americans will realize it sooner rather than later. I’m still gathering information, though.
Damn. I remember a time when I actually believed that ‘social credit system’ horseshit. Now I know that there was only ever ONE municipality that tried to do with it what the anti-china propaganda implied and they were punished for it by the national government because it was a stupid thing to do, and that otherwise ‘social credit’ was only ever proposed as an accountability system for public officials, not for personal individuals just living their every day lives.
Kinda expecting people will come out of the woodwork on here to dunk on me for my ignorance, though, one way or another ._.
So here’s the thing: I’m reading all these anti-ICE news articles from within the US, but I go on baidu and qq news and can’t find a thing criticizing Xi Jinping… hmmm… weird right? Why is that you think?
As an Naturalized American citizen born in China, I’d say if you are white and have birthright citizenship, you are, on average, in a better position than an average Han Chinese born in China. Maybe this would change in the future, but I’d still say for the time being, US is still better, at least if you are white.
There are edge scenarios where an Han Chinese could potentially have a better life in China, but that’s not the case for my family. I lived in a shitty part of Guangzhou that tourists don’t get to see, just like tourists visiting the US don’t typically go to Flint Michigan, or Kensington, Philadelphia, PA
Also FUCKING HUKOU I was BORN IN GUANGZHOU and they never give me Guangzhou Hukou status… so my family are just treated as second class residents. Me and my brother were not allowed in Guangzhou Public schools. Our Hukou was inherited from parents, and they are from Taishan, its rural. So my parents ended up paying for privately-run schools that are lower quality of education in Guangzhou cuz otherwise we’d be left behind in the village and that would’ve been even more depressing.
And my parents had to be either busy working all day, or be looking for work the entire day. Didn’t see them often, sometimes grandma wasn’t even available to look over us and mom took me to work.
And don’t get me started on the One Child Policy that NEARLY resulted in me being forcibly aborted by the CCP against my mother’s wishes. Fuck them. They sterilized my mother for the policy violation.
Why is China purging their generals?
Do yourself a favor and stop thinking of the world as black and white good guys bad guys. You’re not in a Hollywood movie.
You as a powerless citizen have way more in common with other powerless citizens in every single country than you do with you government, and your government have way more in common with any other government than they do with you. You’re just a human, not a Chinese human or a Norwegian human or a South African human or an American human. Those are just constructs that change over time.
Better in every metric? Try being Chinese and criticizing the government online, and see what happens to you. That’s a pretty scary metric.
…hmmm
Err……
….gee
Yeah, guys…… I’m starting to think…… China might not be so great
Well, the US has also begun sending federal agents to “visit” people who have said disparaging things about the regime lately >.>
China did NOT become any better than it had been… it’s just that the united states has gotten worse.
relatively speaking: in any of the ways in which the united states can still be said to be better than china, it is less better today than it had been a few years ago, and its trajectory at this time is presently accelerating in a direction that will not be a good time for most of the people living here.
but alright. i’ll take your word for it that all the instances we see of people being terrorized by the chinese government is NOT just manufactured anti-china propaganda. I’ll continue taking it, even if with more grains of salt than i used to…
Amerikkka and China are both bad
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Yeah, I’m not buying the “gee, guys, I used to believe the AmeriKKKa propaganda, but this really makes me think” act. It must work better on the morons in the tankie communities.
The US is fucked right now, but at least there is hope in a democracy, while it lasts. If we ever become a full on totalitarian dystopia like China, it’s over. It makes me sad to think that, with modern surveillance technology, there is probably no way for them to dig themselves out of it at this point.
What evidence would convince you that this has happened?
I ask because we seem to have blown far past China in every form of human rights violation that China would have to work hard to become as much of a totalitarian dystopia.
I’ve been to China. I’ve watched porn without a VPN and no one cared. From my experience, the tales of Chinese dystopia are more than a little exaggerated.
You watched porn in China without a VPN, so the US has blown way past China for human rights violations?
The ability to criticize your own government publicly is paramount. Without that, you better hope you are ok with everything the government is doing, because there is no mechanism to change it.
OK. How are you measuring the ability to criticize your own government? Is there any metric, besides gut intuition, about criticisms you can make here that you can’t make there?
It’s not just vibes. The censorship in China is unparalleled. Try being Chinese and going on their equivalent of YouTube or Twitter and posting simply “I don’t like Xi JinPing’s policies. I think we need a new leader.” Your posts will be removed, and if you keep it up, you will be imprisoned.
Also, they’re not a democracy. They don’t get to choose or change who is in power. There is basically no mechanism for pushing back against anything the government does in China.
In the US, we’re getting a little taste of that kind of unaccountability with ICE, and there is outrage, which is still legal to express. Hopefully, the whole top of our government will change hands in a couple years. I’m thankful I live somewhere that is possible.
So you do have evidence. Excellent. Can we see it?
Flawed argument:
Should I read your evasive answer as an indiction that you’re opinions are based on something other than evidence?
So, because the US is regrettably inching toward authoritarianism, the fully authoritarian state was the better one all along?
Is it because of innumeracy that people seem to have such a hard time grasping the magnitude of evil?
In which of these countries do the police shoot / choke random people in broad daylight? In which of them is slavery still legal?
China is far from perfect but why would you compare it to like the second worst country in the world?
Try being Muslim and keeping your organs in China.
China isn’t Israel.
Did you read the article? It’s about money and risk because of the war. It isn’t some altruistic thing because they care about people’s lives.
I mean it’s not like they WOULD say “We are morally opposed to israel” because actually saying that out loud in an international environment would’ve created a shit ton of drama. Meanwhile, saying “it’s because of your war” is kinda passive aggressively rubbing it in that attacking palestine was a bad move.
…
hm.
In light of your comment, though, I’m willing to accept that I was probably just projecting >.> it’s WAAAAAY more likely I was just indulging wishful thinking and not-so-subconsciously presuming the morality of others based on their actions rather than their words and that’s not actually smart of me like, at all. So… thank you for the second opinion. You have in fact helped me perceive more much-needed nuance here.
Being fried in a pan, the fire is starting to look comfortable?
Nah they’re all the “bad guy” in different ways. I guarantee this is not some altruistic act. There is a political and economic reason.
You remember tank man? Can you give me any reason to think they wouldn’t do the same today?
one data point: there was big protests near the end of COVID-19, they chose to lift the lockdown instead of doing a 1989. i don’t know how many were arrested or what happened to them, though.
Tank man? The guy who blocked the column of tanks leaving Tienanmen Square, then climbed on top of the tank to yell at the tank commander?
IDK, the tank commanders are probably trained to hide in the tank if someone climbs on top. It’d probably look goofier as the guy runs around the top trying to get in while the commander asks him to leave.
Comrade please report to local police station for questioning
There was NO column of Type 59 tanks on Chang’an Avenue near Tiananmen Square in Beijing on June 5, 1989.
You are trying to disrupt the peace and will face appropriate punishment 😡
Shit, I’m back in Tokyo now, would you direct me to the closest secret Chinese police station?
Welcome to the land of critical thinking. Whether your take on China is objectively, or provably right or wrong, your take on the US is not generating any argument and that says a lot in itself.
There’s still a lot of room in critical thinking land (thanks to social media and propaganda) so make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair and enjoy making your own decisions about things.
I will argue this to libs all day long, but with actual leftists, there’s a lot of “critical” when it comes to critically supporting China, especially if you’re looking at historical foreign policy after the sino-soviet split.
I’m glad you put all the mental gymnastics in a single post and were can’t ignore ask follow up nonsense
i’m glad you shoved all these words in my mouth because now i know better than to bother with your opinion. blocked.
Lol it’s funny seeing you guys operate outside of hexbear. You can’t ban anyone who pushes back because you don’t control the community, but you still have to let them know you punished them somehow.