Betrayed now? Not after they openly mocked you for not wearing a suit?
He ate shit and humiliated himself in front of the whole world on the off chance he could still get some benefit for Ukraine. This means he’s given up on them.
People died because of this. Why would mocking his clothing even be a blip in comparison?
Because they were withholding approved military funding solely because he didn’t wear a suit…and all in attendance were mocking him because of it.
Politics
Exactly. This is a point he can push a lot harder as it’s a solid example of how the US cannot be trusted as an ally.
The magas keep betraying, it’s their thing, and even Bush said don’t get fooled so many times. I really want putin to leave and stay in existing lands, has plenty so stop killing all these people and all the suffering. Stop the dictator bs and could have had a much better economy and quality of life for people there if he did the right things, followed the Nordic models. Estonia and others have advanced with their freedom from the unhealthy controlling ways and putin could have done all that too, but no, doubled down on toxic systems and scapegoat minorities. Same horrible policies always bring horrible results for the majority, but the wealthy benefit. The wealthy and powerful protect their benefits and privileges at the expense of the many as we can see over and over in history.
he… was
Which is why he can say it now instead of having to suck it up and smile for the cameras
Volodymyr Zelensky should take a history book and read about how the US treats its allies once they are no longer useful.
Actually, the US has always supported the Ukrainian quest for independence. Don’t listen to the naysayers. They simply don’t understand the deep bound that exists between our two nations.
Support them for 46 years until their enemy collapses? That’s West Europe.
once they are no longer useful.
Europe served as a useful buffer against the Warsaw Pact and later the various West Asian countries. But maybe that is ending now, and the European countries have started becoming ‘no longer useful’.
Elon had already disabled Starlink access to them once, back at the start of the war when Biden was still president. I don’t understand why Ukraine hasn’t divested of SpaceX at this point. Hopefully they have diversified their sources of intel and comms, at least. Europe is starting to develop some nice alternatives like ICEYE, and have given multiple pledges? suggestions? to utilize it in support of Ukraine, I thought.
Why is this bs propagated? US mandated starlink to disable access in russian territory. That’s exactly what was done, so when Zelensky’s starlink controlled drones crossed into russian territory, starlink lost connectivity. Exactly as asked.
As Elon himself said in his recent tweeting, the USG controls Starshield, the military version of Starlink. SpaceX, and sometimes Elon himself, control Starlink.
Whether this occurrence is the USG restricting military comms or SpaceX restricting commercial comms, this is not a coincidence of restrictions on Russia being colocated with Ukraine-Russia battlefields.
Mandated by who? By Elon obviously. The same Nazi who was in secret communication with Putin the whole time. Certainly wasn’t a Biden admin “decision.”
who was in secret communication with Putin the whole time
uhhhhh what?
Biden admin of course, who else? They sanctioned russia, which meant no Starlink service was allowed in russian territory. Ukrainian naval drones crossed into russian territory and (foreseeably) lost connectivity.
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Using the word “betrayed” implies he trusted him in the first place, which I strongly doubt.
Zelensky knows how to play the game though
Eh…
I think Zelensky has done a really good job overall in a really bad situation, but you don’t have to read much news to know both Trump and Musk and terrible people and not to be trusted.
Be happy it lasted this long when dealing with these two billionaire psychopaths.
it’s not like you can choose leaders of an allied states without making it weird.
He doesn’t have a choice. Besides, Putin is better than Trump imo.
Well, for what its worth - the amount of blood on Trump’s hands is nowhere near Putin’s BY A LOT. That doesn’t make it any better though. both cant go to hell soon enough.
I guess Trump got tired of all that winning…
he ran out of winning quotas for this year. poor Donald.
I felt this was going to happen eventually, I just didn’t know how soon. It also follows suit with Trump working to create a new world hegemony where he sees himself acquiring Canada and Greenland and letting everything else fall to Russia and China. The only way it can even begin to be real is with a world war where the US deliberately ghosts Europe and NATO, and it has already begun to do that.
Trump’s international policy is so incoherent it is much more productive to compare it with type 2 jam instead of international politics.
You forgot Cuba and Venezuela, and likely more.
Taking some solace that while there’s a lot more than just Trump at work here, he is somehow the key figurehead that when he passes (how long can a fat 80 year old who loves fast food last, even with the best health care?) wil leave the broader movement unraveling.
It won’t unravel, it will just get more extreme from now on. This is not something you just democratically vote yourself away from. The very concept of democracy is almost no longer tenable given how techno oligarchs have perfected within their social networks what Cambridge Analytica started.
I don’t know, but I think we are headed towards the modern analogue of the sort of dark ages that have left empty capitals out of ancient civilizations that had previously been thriving, with AI and robotics being prepped to fill the voids. The value of human society is rapidly becoming less of a necessity for the ultrarich, with lies and deception are part of their core values - half truths and a tailored mix rationale and dehumanization that will sadly shape the future of our timeline by appealing to society’s baser emotions. I dread for our future and bid farewell to the sort of one that seemed possible from the world that once cooperated and averted the ozone hole from becoming a catastrophe.
These are just the necessary consequences of capitalism. Workers never had a choice in the system, we can only ever express our voice through collective action, like how the Civil Rights Movement was fought. This isn’t a new development, it’s a new stage in deterioration of the imperialist stage in capitalism. The solution is socialism, and the method to establish it is revolution. This has been clear for over a century.
Keep bombing the oil Zelenskyy it is time to go green
People aren’t paying close enough attention to the oil oligarchy, and the known, and not puppet/fall guy white supremacists dispite the knowns 1) that modern war is a result of oil control, and 2) that indigenous people were offed for their land rich in oil deposits. To this day evangelical churches are located at oil deposits (see book ‘Annointed with Oil’ (this kind🛢). Oil Tycoons funded churches to get colonizers to live next to the filthy oil wells, and the churches preached the benefits of oil to benefits their expansion. Koch refineries NEVER stopped churning in Russia. And at the very beginning of the Urk/Rus spit: 1) Methane deposits were “discovered” on the coast of Crimea and Hillary spoke about Crimea and Putin in her run for president against Trump and 2) A Koch NGO wrote a letter essentially saying that perhaps the conflict shouldn’t happen, just after it began. Like as if Kochs themsleves had cold feet. And the Kochs are the brain child of ALEC, and a Koch ran for president in the 80’s under the libertarian party and was deeply embarrassed in his efforts. Now put two and two together. Lots of Europe was buying piped in “natural gas” (is literally just methane) from Russia. And then they discover methane closer to home. US helps Zelinski get into office. The 1st thing Russia did was build a engineering feat of a bridge to Crimea. And then the US fuels the fire, then steps back and profits from war (NATO’s weapon supplier of choice) that is now too far along to end. Meanwhile Israel decides to be advantageous and begins their invasion and take over of whatever they can. And Ukr per Zelinski want to be like Israel. And somehow they are using red scare to fuel Russia attack, yet Russia hasn’t been communist for decades. And look up Larry Summers wiki. He was in the White House advising Russia on what oligarchs will get what soviet socialized industries, and was at Harvard (another place that should be met with A LOT of scrutiny) to influence Facebook’s ownership. Of which FB has been sucessfully sued by the Rohindya people for genocide mongering (same playback as Rwanda’s radio station, may I add) and which Kenyans are following in the same suit currently. Then theirs Clinton and Monica, and his midnight call to Benjamin Zion Wattenberg, who wrote the birth Dearth and is one of the most influential and openly modern eugenists of of time because of that book. People need to step back, and realize that the stories your being fed, are just that. You are supposed to be overwhelmed and not look deeper or connect the damn dots. And it works for as long as you and society as a whole wants to be entertained. And don’t even get me started on the “cold war”. 🙄 Who profited/benefitted and what was actually achieved. Those are the only questions you should be asking about anything. Stop being force fed BS, and then in your own ignorance, complimenting the chefs. Our problem as a people is their are too many useable idiots amongst us. ZOOM OUT. Think like an oligarch. He isn’t being entertained. He is using our mass ignorance as his elevator. FFS. If the majority of people can’t tell what’s BS at this point, we’re F’d. Enjoy willfully oppressing your own children, and the earth.
Sorry, (not sorry) but this rant apparently needs to happen.
READ, contemplate for yourself, and know thy enemy.
Their ability to bomb* the oil depots is probably related to their starlink/starshield access. 🥺
Starlink bandwidth cap affected air defences of Kyiv
Did you read the article? It specifically says that’s not the case and so the Starlink disruption does not affect that.
Did you?
Overnight, Ukraine’s military reported that, without explanation, the Starlink satellite communications system, produced by Musk’s SpaceX but managed by the US government, was no longer working at speeds greater than 100mph.
That effectively rendered most of the drones used by Ukraine to strike behind the frontlines inoperable…
Yes, the quote you posted supports my comment. The frontlines are in Ukraine, not in Russia. The quote you posted refers to operations inside of Ukraine. If you thought that “behind the frontlines” means “in Russia”, the article clarifies below:
But, ironically, it would have no impact on Ukraine’s deep strike bombing of oil refineries because Kyiv is banned from using Starlink to hit targets inside of Russia.
FWIW, leading with that quoted sentence instead of a “Did you read the article?” would have worked out much better to correct the assumption.
It would, my bad, I was on mobile then and already closed the article when I went back here to read comments.
“Did you read the article?” they asked without having read the article.
I for one admire Zelensky for keeping it up until now. There are not many that could be in his position dealing with the Orange corrupted paedophile.
Whilst it could be argued he’s not fighting in the war, he’s definitely put a massive target on his own head that is bigger than most soldiers, and keeps himself at risk.
You can hear the sound of Zalensky’s massive balls clanging together from miles away.
And unlike Trump, you can tell he isn’t worried about what people think of him. He doesn’t try to pretend to be a “strong man”
True and Russia would be dumb enough to try…
But I think that he would be a terrible strategic target. Weighing the value of his leadership versus the risk of martyrdom…
It’s because he puts the good of the country above his personal pride and feelings. He is being a true professional with the orange moron
If the American government reacts like this, then it sure shows how Ukraine is winning.
Ukraine is not winning. They are steadily losing territory.
In an un-fucking-believable move, the Americans stopped sharing intelligence and disabled Starlink’s military services, rendering Ukraine completely defenseless against Russian ballistic missiles just prior to a major attack.
This coming shortly after the US essentially negated its economic sanctions on Russian diesel and once again pressured Kyiv to unilaterally cease its attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, even as Russia ramps up their own attacks on Ukrainian energy infrastructure.
Trump is now publically aiding the Russians in their aggression against Ukraine and Europe
I’ve been dumbfounded at the US since the start of the year but I think this marks the moment where they are openly on Russia’s side against the West. Dangerous times. I’m rather worried at where this is going.
No, that’s a totally believable move. The American government are terrotists that have the American people held hostage. They will now do whatever they want regardless- and oftentimes to spite what the American people want.
And no one is doing shit about it.
Thank you for not seeing an entire nation as the worst of their parts. I’m trapped in the basement, but I’m trying the best I can. Many people far better than I are doing the same.
If the flame of love & peace dies, all is lost.
Blaming all the people in a nation on the acts of a runaway government is ignorance on display. Just like how all of the Russian citizens don’t support Putin, just like all of Germany didn’t support hitler.
People nowadays seem to have very little time for nuanced thought, and it’s just easier to all-or-nothing a situation because thinking can be hard sometimes.
I’m with ya.
Bro, every time I try to mention nuance on the internet, I’m immediately the bad guy.
Like I’m autistic as fuck, so I can be pretty rigid in the way I think, so I get, like, why people can be that way.
But like on the internet its like half of everyone is just borderline personality about everything. Like it’s fun to split people or some shit. Which hurts me to say, because BPD is… complex shit itself.
High highs become the lowest of lows. Bpd ain’t no joke. One day, you’ll wake up after dreaming about pulling glass shards from your feet and just suddenly be too tired to ramp up. It’s not a great feeling, but it’s much easier maybe. Then you just use whatever energy you have left to try. Because you have to. Sometimes it’s easy, sometimes it isn’t. You won’t have those soaring moments of clarity and hope, or the valley of despair. It’ll just be questions and trying, so learn how to remember or make something that reminds you that you once had the other sides.
The middle isn’t pretty, but it works. Or not. I recommend occasionally feeding the beast when you reach the middle.
Same. And while my ASD can also make me pretty rigid, I also know that the world we live in exists almost entirely within the grey area that lies between the polarizing black and white that everyone cannot see past.
And what bothers me the most about it is how rapidly it seems to be getting worse.
I had high hopes that nuance would be easier to maintain on Lemmy for years. But… no.
If I was a secret world ruling oligarch i’d want nations against each other
otherwise they might notice me and all my bunkers
Just wait 'till they dash down into their holes like the vermin that they are, only to find out many of us bribed the staff not to tell them about the toilets we upperdecked and the 200000000000 pillows we be-farted and left mints upon.
Pink eye for eternity
Imagine this if you will:
An entire society of elites, forced underground only to find out the Virtual Reality they invested in can’t be seen due to permanent pink eye.
A mole-like parasitic society haunted by ghosts stolen, trained upon the very things that hated them the most.
An artificial intelligence that would continue to exist because they couldn’t make new sequels to GTA without it.
A ghost.
All of this, beloved readers…would grow to haunt them like screams in the darkness.
I have empathy, but I’m not perfect. I’ve said fuck Ruzzia & fuck Israel myself. It’s hard not to, when you see what’s happening…but we only see what they want us to see these days, in many ways. They only allow us to feel what we do because it plays into some sick narrative … I’ve seen entire countries, cultures & religions blamed for injustices & atrocities, and now this burden has come back to haunt those who used it as a weapon. The people are simply hostages in an agenda that would drive you insane if you knew the truth of.
Well said.
Thank you. Caring in modern society is like walking through razor-wire.
I think I needed to hear your words today.
I mean it, thank you.
You’re absolutely welcome my friend! We all could use some encouraging words. Now more than ever. And I totally get the reference. It seems at every turn, there’s someone there to tell you you’ve done something wrong, or think something wrong. But remember, while in the hive, you’ve little to do but comply-
Outside the hive, bees are free.
We do it all the time. We hate all Russians because of Putin. We hate all Israelis because of Netanyahu. Why wouldn’t the world hate all Americans because of Trump?
Human nature.
I’m all for equivocation and nuance, but I must admit it’s really hard to get over the fact he was voted in twice. The danger signals were displayed loud and clear, and the US populace went “Yep, after the trial period, this is the guy for us”. Forgive me if that put a major dent in my trust in anything American.
I don’t hate Russians because of Putin. I don’t hate Isrealis because of Netanyahu.
I hate Putin. I hate Netanyahu. I hate Trump. I hate Xi Jinping. I hate Lukenshenko. I hate Kim Jong Un. Dictators.
I do hate people that believe they have superiority over anyone.
You’re a lot more optimistic about humanity than I am.
Fear and religious superiority is why the average Israelite supports Netanyahu. Apathy and a desire for racial superiority is why the average Russian tends to support Putin. Racism, sexism, and a desire to make their mediocre lives matter are why majority of American supported Trump.
Ignorance isn’t human nature.
I disagree. It very much is human nature.
My nature is curiosity & I am incredibly human.
Explain how fire was carried forward?
Did “Urk” walk into a cave whilst on fire and into “Groka’s” twignest?
No.
“Urk” stole “Groka” away from “Brantley” because motherfucking “Urk” had flint & steel and knew how to motherfucking use it!
“Brantley” was too busy groaning about how many trips it took him to carry twigs to the twignest.
Ive been going about this all wrong. Let’s not just dunk Trump in Boston harbor and haul him off to international criminal court. We need the whole gang. And a better form of justice. Fuck prison and fuck capital punishment.
Make them watch us make the world a better place, without them. They can be free, but never again shall they know power.
Facts.
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American conservatives hate Ukraine because their media has trained them to do so.
American conservatives have a greater affinity for Russian style domestic and foreign policy than they do with liberal democracy.
This is what American conservatives want. They want conservative chauvinism to bowl over the “leftist, globalist” world order with violence and abuse.
Most American Conservatives have no idea what Russian style policy is, or what life, even for “middle class” Russians is like.
They are passive, lazy and infantile people that just go along with whatever their peers and their media diet (Fox News, Talk Radio, Facebook, and now mass media) spoon feeds them.
The core of these people were always either racist or greedy or tolerant of racists for some other idiotic or bigoted reason.
This is what happens when you have a society of overly “soft” and spoiled people. People that have basically never experienced hardship for 2, 3 or 4 generations.
America happens to be the most powerful and most culturally dominant country right now, but this isn’t a special thing. It is human nature and America is just ahead of the curve.
They did the same thing last year, Ukraine and Europe has been preparing for this happening
Which I do feel is glossed over. Europe knew it was coming. Putin is cashing in his influence to make it one more day.
How much will it hurt Ukraine? We can only find out.
2/3rds of the country endorsed this, or decided they were okay with it happening and did nothing to stop it.
And no, im not calling it Stockholm Syndrome when that’s total BS made up to cover for incompetent negotiators and hostage rescue.
Yep. MAGA, non-voters, and 3rd party voters opened this door.
3rd party voters are not the problem buddy, Capitalism is.
Centrist politics are going up in smoke across the western world and liberals still refuse to see that their rigid adherence to the status quo has failed to address the issues of the day. They’ll never accept their contribution to the resurgence of fascism.
Two things can be true
Found the Maga enabling tankie.
Lol. Make sure to vote for Gavin Newsome come election time buddy, I’m sure there’s no way a neoliberal corporate ghoul can lose against trump again 😂
ROFL! Here’s one now!!
Yeah, trump announced he would do this many times during the election (and his first term). The american people chose this. Twice. At least there is no war in the middle east…
Actually trump lied and said an end to all wars and no new ones. Kamala on the other hand campaigned with Liz cheny and promised to have the most lethal military on the planet.
He said he would stop supporting Ukraine, and he did. Krasnov is slow but he gets there at the end.
🙄
idk at this point, those data centers going out sure makes it seem like there are a lot less maga than what appeared
Very true. Also, every single spit-flinging accusation from magas has turned out to be pretty much what they were already doing, would do, or were planning to do.
… And they were BIG on accusing their opponents of cheating and rigging elections…
Not very true, you people swallowed propaganda hook line and sinker, lol.
No, it didn’t.
produced by Musk’s SpaceX but managed by the US government, was no longer working at speeds greater than 100mph.
That effectively rendered most of the drones used by Ukraine to strike behind the frontlines inoperable
Such a specific way to sabotage Ukraine. They didn’t shut down access, just made it so their weapons didn’t work.
They didn’t shut down access, just made it so their weapons didn’t work.
Those are the same thing. Ukraine wasn’t using it to shit post on X.
You can’t think of another way a country would need internet access other than high speed drones and shit posting?
Even worse that they did it not just without warning, but without even a “hey we shut you off”. Just, system switch cut off.
And as others have said, not even remotely surprising at this point.
Ofc the Orange Plague is mad. The Russian propaganda machine is down and not spewing bullshit into MAGAt ears.
Keep it up Ukraine.
Still parroting that disproven propaganda, lol?
Not sure why you’re being downvoted.
Russian web crawlers went down, propaganda bots did not. At best the propaganda bots depended on the crawlers to find new content to comment on, but afaik there’s not much data indicating that the social media botnets went down.
Probably downvoted because they tried to disguise their statement as a question that they didn’t want answering.
Which I personally feel is just a way to diminish OP’s credibility but not look like they are trying to argue.They could’ve shaped their comment in any number of positive ways, such as posting links of it being disproven. Or asking for such links and proof.
However they went with an elaborate “NUH UH, parrot, lol” instead.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9y7l0pm8jkko
Nah it’s because I’m from ml.
Because the liberals here are upset that their propaganda was false, lol.
Wow. That’s confrontational. Hey, trump does that too!
Trump also spouts bullshit propaganda, lol.
