I don’t think cats understand fully that they are not supposed to do something.
Fron my understanding of how they view the world they think you just become an asshole when they are on the counter. They don’t really precieve easily what someone else wants unless its in line with their wants/goals. Like food, attention, playtime.
Most domesticated species we where able to domesticate easily because they had a inharent family/pack order. So with dogs they run in a pack, hunt in a pack, sleep in a pack and are more geared to socializing with others.
Cats don’t verbally meow at other cats generally, its more about body language. And if you ever been in a house hold with lots of cats you will notice they don’t work as a pack, they are more terroritorial and live in different parts of the house and don’t really overlap unless its feeding/play time. Sometimes cats do bond but ive noticed its ususally only family members or in pairs. If this is a 4+ cat house hold, they won’t act as a pack like dogs will.
Cats are only occasionally communist, but only in a anarcho communist sense. Less communial. As in they are bored one day and bring you a mouse because they think you are hungry. Its not really the same, its not like a dog who thinks in order to survive the group must survive and I must follow orders from the leader. No cats think they are more equals like room mates who live a independent life from you and get the benifit of a free friend.
I don’t think cats understand fully that they are not supposed to do something.
I disagree. One of my cats has oppositional defiant disorder. She enjoys it more when she’s misbehaving. It’s the one that was farting on me all night last night.
Tell that to my cat… more clingy than any of my ex’s.
I can’t take dump in peace. And he loses his shit anytime I go outside or when he can’t find me. He follows me around like a dog when I’m awake, since he’s always sleeping next to me.
Like horses, and cows too form herds or whatever and have that same kind of collaborative spirit?, which we exploit.
With horses they used to just catch the dominate wild horse and the rest of the herd of wild horses follow.
Those where the first to kind of get domesticated.
Like a fox can be bread in 6 generations to be a domesticated dog by selective breeding. For whatever reason we can’t or havent done that in cats to the same degree we do with livestock and dogs.
I would say cat’s have a “no fucks’ givin” personality. Which in a way I like, but it does seem like they have a different mental structure. My other cat is a scaredy cat and runs away from me sometimes… yet he always sleeps in my bed or laundry and hides under my bed when there’s a storm (Stockholm Syndrome?) or comes to complain to me when he doesn’t get his treats; oh yeah and protests by eating dry food if I don’t give him wet food.
My cat has a prescription diet and only like the cans that cost 2.35 a can, and can eat up to two full cans a day. He has unlimited dry food but only grazes.
As a way to stave this off I decided to introduce some treats so he would get a churu and for a week that was good enough to where he wouldn’t complain as often a hour before dinner. Now theres two churus a day he demands, and I have to wake up a hour earlier to accomidate how important churu time is.
He only learns when he does something and I react when it benifits his goals and wants, and thats how we have this schedule. Other then that theres no fucks given, and unless my goals align with his goals we don’t make progress. Like for example he used to play rough with hand playing, when he scratched hard or bit or something I would say ow loudly and we would stop playing. He doesnt do that unless hes high on cat nip now because he knows play time is over.
Most dogs you just repeat a command at enough and they understand, and then when trained will listen, their goals don’t matter, its whatever is best for the group. The cat won’t really learn stay off the counter unless they learn there is a consequence for their action thats impacts the treats/play/attention or what ever your cat prizes the most. But with dogs they just love rules, you teach them once and they kind of know. They’ll tattle on eachother too, or ive seen dogs nip at the other whos being bad even when they think youre not watching them.
Hah they love that paste stuff too much. Funny thing, my cats learned not to bite or use their claws. You can try some unsalted tuna water and a drop of cranberry juice to help with the stones if that’s an issue. My cat responds to commands ironically, like if I snap my fingers or say come here, he will follow or jump on wherever I point to. He’s a mostly Norwegian Forest cat though. He watches the door when I sleep or feel sick as well. It’s a shame he got neutered, I don’t let my cats outside unless they’re on my shoulder either.
I don’t think cats understand fully that they are not supposed to do something.
Fron my understanding of how they view the world they think you just become an asshole when they are on the counter. They don’t really precieve easily what someone else wants unless its in line with their wants/goals. Like food, attention, playtime.
Most domesticated species we where able to domesticate easily because they had a inharent family/pack order. So with dogs they run in a pack, hunt in a pack, sleep in a pack and are more geared to socializing with others.
Cats don’t verbally meow at other cats generally, its more about body language. And if you ever been in a house hold with lots of cats you will notice they don’t work as a pack, they are more terroritorial and live in different parts of the house and don’t really overlap unless its feeding/play time. Sometimes cats do bond but ive noticed its ususally only family members or in pairs. If this is a 4+ cat house hold, they won’t act as a pack like dogs will.
Cats are only occasionally communist, but only in a anarcho communist sense. Less communial. As in they are bored one day and bring you a mouse because they think you are hungry. Its not really the same, its not like a dog who thinks in order to survive the group must survive and I must follow orders from the leader. No cats think they are more equals like room mates who live a independent life from you and get the benifit of a free friend.
I disagree. One of my cats has oppositional defiant disorder. She enjoys it more when she’s misbehaving. It’s the one that was farting on me all night last night.
Tell that to my cat… more clingy than any of my ex’s.
I can’t take dump in peace. And he loses his shit anytime I go outside or when he can’t find me. He follows me around like a dog when I’m awake, since he’s always sleeping next to me.
I still love him.
You are bonded. As I said in that long string of poorly spelled words above, they often bond in pairs and its ususally a family bond.
Its not the same to dogs where if you abandon a bunch of random dogs in the woods they will naturally just form roaming gangs.
I see what you mean now.
Like horses, and cows too form herds or whatever and have that same kind of collaborative spirit?, which we exploit.
With horses they used to just catch the dominate wild horse and the rest of the herd of wild horses follow.
Those where the first to kind of get domesticated.
Like a fox can be bread in 6 generations to be a domesticated dog by selective breeding. For whatever reason we can’t or havent done that in cats to the same degree we do with livestock and dogs.
I didn’t know that, that’s kinda cool.
I would say cat’s have a “no fucks’ givin” personality. Which in a way I like, but it does seem like they have a different mental structure. My other cat is a scaredy cat and runs away from me sometimes… yet he always sleeps in my bed or laundry and hides under my bed when there’s a storm (Stockholm Syndrome?) or comes to complain to me when he doesn’t get his treats; oh yeah and protests by eating dry food if I don’t give him wet food.
My cat has a prescription diet and only like the cans that cost 2.35 a can, and can eat up to two full cans a day. He has unlimited dry food but only grazes.
As a way to stave this off I decided to introduce some treats so he would get a churu and for a week that was good enough to where he wouldn’t complain as often a hour before dinner. Now theres two churus a day he demands, and I have to wake up a hour earlier to accomidate how important churu time is.
He only learns when he does something and I react when it benifits his goals and wants, and thats how we have this schedule. Other then that theres no fucks given, and unless my goals align with his goals we don’t make progress. Like for example he used to play rough with hand playing, when he scratched hard or bit or something I would say ow loudly and we would stop playing. He doesnt do that unless hes high on cat nip now because he knows play time is over.
Most dogs you just repeat a command at enough and they understand, and then when trained will listen, their goals don’t matter, its whatever is best for the group. The cat won’t really learn stay off the counter unless they learn there is a consequence for their action thats impacts the treats/play/attention or what ever your cat prizes the most. But with dogs they just love rules, you teach them once and they kind of know. They’ll tattle on eachother too, or ive seen dogs nip at the other whos being bad even when they think youre not watching them.
Hah they love that paste stuff too much. Funny thing, my cats learned not to bite or use their claws. You can try some unsalted tuna water and a drop of cranberry juice to help with the stones if that’s an issue. My cat responds to commands ironically, like if I snap my fingers or say come here, he will follow or jump on wherever I point to. He’s a mostly Norwegian Forest cat though. He watches the door when I sleep or feel sick as well. It’s a shame he got neutered, I don’t let my cats outside unless they’re on my shoulder either.