Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

  • crystalmerchant@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Israeli people have as much right to exist as Palestinian people. So let’s not genocide the Palestinians, no matter how desperately Golda Meir claimed they’re not real. Israel has a right to exist =/= Israel has a right to slaughter a culture. It’s not fucking hard you cunts

    • Riverside@reddthat.com
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      2 days ago

      Israel doesn’t have a right to exist though, it’s explicitly from the outset a genocidal colony in stolen land

    • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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      Israel is not israeli people, the former of which has no right to exist, the latter of which exists as a temporary and exceedingly new political fiction.

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        To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.

        So much of the conflict in the West is viewed from a Biblical lens. Israel represents the return of the Jews to their ancestral homeland! But really what present-day Israel represents is the spiritual descendants of the Biblical Israel ruling over and occupying the genetic descendants of the Biblical Israel.

        Through this thread, a common identity could be forged. That kind of shared identity is the kind of thing that national identities could be forged from. Instead of “Israel” being defined as “the Jewish homeland.” “Israel” could be defined as “the home of the genetic and spiritual descendants of ancient Israel.” This conflict need not always be “the Jews vs the Palestinians.” It could simply be one type of Israeli and another type of Israeli. Some claim that name by blood. Some claim that name by religion. But both are united in one nation.

        • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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          To me, the real tragedy is that a shared identity really could be forged between these two groups. In another world, I can imagine a beautiful fusion between the Israelis and Palestinians, like two trees growing around one another.

          That existed before 1929.

    • Doorbook@lemmy.world
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      Does human have right to exist? If yes, then those who identify themselves as Israeli and those who identify themselves as Palestinians have the right to exist.

      However, including Israel as a state and government in this statement doesn’t make sense.

      Its like someone going to another person house and take over a room then say I have the right to exist. Yes you have the right to exist but not the right to steal, and control the house. Now this state literally committing an ongoing genocide. So yes they state doesn’t have the right to exist.

    • MightEnlightenYou@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      It is really hard if you’re only able to see the world in binary choices, which seems to be a common root of issues around the world

    • Wataba@sh.itjust.works
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      Quite frankly, they don’t.

      They were invited refuge, turned violent and annexed the region, and have continued to be violent bloodthirsty pigs ever since.