Polish far-right MP sparks outrage by displaying Israeli flag with Nazi swastika in parliament, accusing Israel of genocide in controversial statement.

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    Who would have thought that the lesson the Jews would take from the Holocaust would be to “Pay It Forward?”

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      “Israel” isn’t synonymous with “Judaism”.

      What we have in Israel is one more instance of British colonial Divide and Conquer imperial strategy. Select a minority group, grant them favored status, heavily arm them and use them as your proxies to secure territory, isolate them geopolitically so you’re their only friends, then use them as de facto mercenaries to suppress the majority ethnic groups for their labor.

      The inversion of this strategy has been the degree to which Israelis have played this against their imperial sponsors. They’ve converted far right Christians into their own proxies, they’ve infiltrated the police and intelligence agencies of their benefactors, and they’ve exploited anti-Islamic sentiment to send Europeans to war against the majority ethnic groups across the Middle East.

      The lay Jew isn’t having a say in any of this. They’re just more pawns on the board for Israeli, American, and European power brokers to push around.

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        You say this, and I have no animosity toward individual Jews at all.

        But it is a simple fact that the Israeli citizens, who are mostly Jews, are nearly fully behind all of the atrocities their country is committing. They overwhelmingly supported the Gaza Genocide, and they support the civilian bombings of Iran and Lebanon.

        I don’t blame Jews around the world in general, but the Israeli CITIZENS shouldn’t get a pass for their support of their government’s atrocities just because they are Jews.

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          the Israeli citizens, who are mostly Jews, are nearly fully behind all of the atrocities their country is committing.

          The Israeli lay citizens are at least we immersed in Zionist propaganda as any American or Brit. To crib from Glenn Beck, it’s always 9/12 over there

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            That’s no excuse. Nobody gets fed more conservative propaganda than America, and yet a full 2/3 are absolutely against our War in Iran, and most of that remaining 1/3 are lying.

            The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years, and they’ve only gotten worse. In the beginning it was defensive, but somewhere along the line, they became the aggressor, and now it isn’t Israel who has to worry about the Middle East, it’s the Middle East, and indirectly, everyone else, who has to worry about Israel.

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              Nobody gets fed more conservative propaganda than America

              I don’t know how you measure that, per say, but it’s not an issue of raw volume. You can receive less conservative propaganda than your neighbor and still end up with a conservative worldview.

              yet a full 2/3 are absolutely against our War in Iran, and most of that remaining 1/3 are lying

              Americans are largely against the Iran War because it spiked the price of gasoline. That’s not a position rooted in morality. It’s the same consumerist reactionary sentiment that powered Trump to election the last two times he won (and Biden, the time Trump lost).

              The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years

              ‘Prefer Death Over IDF’: Israeli Jews RIOT In Jerusalem; Refuses To Serve Military & Fight Hamas

              I’m so sick to death of hearing the “police state isn’t a big deal, you just need to fight armed goons on the street harder.” Tell it to Alex Pretti and Renée Good.

              Do you really think the violence of the Israeli state is limited to Palestinians? It is applied to every dissident group.

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                Do you really think the violence of the Israeli state is limited to Palestinians?

                No, of course I don’t think that, and I wrote the exact opposite, and you even quoted it:

                The Israelis have had ample opportunity to reign in their aggression toward their neighbors for years

                And I even mentioned them bombing Lebanon. So, no, I DON’T think their aggression is limited to Palestinians, as I clearly indicated.