that’s what happens with mines and it’s why they’re not fucking legal at all. you need a bunch of giant rats to help comb the land and they still blow farmers arms off 30 years later. imagine if they were fucking underwater
Except that they are completely legal, you are correct.
afaik it is illegal to use them to block commercial waterways which connect two giant international bodies of water
Well, that is against UNCLOS, but while Iran signed it, they did not ratify it. So, kinda not really.
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Illegal according to whom? There is no authority for the entire world.
The giant rats would drown
They use dolphins in the ocean. (I wish I was kidding).
Not a problem as Trump already said that he removed all of the mines and sunk all of the mine layers.
*According to the united states State Department, not Iran.
Yeah, I do not trust anything the American government or its media say at this point.
I don’t know why Iran would be more credible. Counting Israel, the three regimes are all infamous and world-class liars. If we can’t trust the word on any of them in isolation, trusting one over another would be madness.
But the original comment wasn’t trusting Iran, it was mistrusting the US.
If Iran said “yea, you can come through now, trust me bro” then I’d be suspicious.
The reason you believe Iran is a ‘world class liar’ is because of your addiction to Amerisreali propaganda.
Just a reminder EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.
They are a third-world country, they don’t have the luxury of lying. period.
They once posted a photo of a “crashed F-35” that was so obviously AI generated that there were people the size of garden gnomes walking around the cockpit area.
I get what you’re trying to go for here, yes, a lot of what we know about Iran is filtered through Western propaganda, but it’s also true that they lie, and badly, all the time. America being bad didn’t make the Iranian regime good.
Did… did you fall for the unverified account that is not related to iran in any way…?
And you’re willingly admitting that you fell for a fake account…?
Hmm, looks like you’re right. That specific image wasn’t actually circulated by an official Iranian source.
I’ll admit I missed that, because it was so consistent with all of the other messaging coming out of Iran. The image circulated at a time where - with zero evidence to the effect, and a lot of evidence to the contrary - Iran was claiming to have shot down something like four or five Isreal F-35’s. As far as any independent observers can tell the actual number was zero. Then there’s the current conflict where Iran took videos of a wrecked F-15 and claimed it was an F-35, among other obvious lies.
I’ll freely grant you that specific case; we all get caught out sometimes. But you’re the one trying to argue that Iran, a nation with a long history of proven blatant falsehoods in their official messaging, are some kind of paragons of truth. That doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t also lie like crazy. A lot of nations do. It just means you’re in idiot if you go buying into this teenage morality idea that “US bad = Iran good.” They’re an autocratic regime that lies reflexively… Just like the Trump administration. Anything they say has to be treated with a baseline level of suspicion, and it’s absurd to argue otherwise.
Again, Iran never claimed to shoot down multiple F-35s. They did believe they shot down the F-35 that they put out of service, but that could be generously interpreted as ‘did enough damage to remove it from service permanently’ rather than it actively crashing before returning to base; which western sources agree with.
So again, YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN WHERE THEY HAVE LIED ONCE.
Not a single time.
You have been repeating random things you have seen but have never checked in on, because your brain has been gangraped by the Amerisraeli empire into just being mush.
Iranian state media, quoting military sources, reported that two F-35I Adirs were intercepted and downed by Iranian air defense units during or immediately after their bombing run on targets near Natanz and other strategic installations. One of the pilots, described as a female aviator, was allegedly captured after ejecting over Iranian territory. Iranian Press TV wasted no time in proclaiming this as a global first: “Iran has earned the distinction of being the first country in the world to successfully shoot down fifth-generation fighter jets belonging to the Zionist regime.”
Please accompany your reminder with sources
Sure. look up any timeline of the iran nuclear deal until the US decided, without evidence, to call Iran a liar and pull out of the deal.
That’s one subject. I’m not disagreeing with you, simply asking for broader citations for your broad claim.
I’m sorry there’s not an easy compendium for you of the times the Amerisraeli empire made shit up and it was proven false?
That undertaking would take weeks, maybe months to years to compile. I’m sorry you haven’t been paying attention. But simply google whatever lie you currently believe Iran has told; and you will find Iran ‘admitting’ to whatever quite honestly – or – you will simply fail to find any non-US sources reporting on the matter because it is so insanely, obviously false that no international news org even tried to make sense of their claims.
You’ll notice this a lot when you start looking at Amerisraeli propaganda; i.e. ‘Kim Jong-Un kills anyone without the same haircut’ or ‘Hamas throws gays off roofs’ or ‘China forces old women to exercise by withholding their pension’ or really anything any ‘news’ organization funded by the NED has ever published.
In most cases there is no way to ‘debunk’ the claims, the same way you cannot ‘debunk’ me alleging that an anonymous source inside your house has reported you fucking your jar of peanut butter.
Even if you heard me reporting that, how are you going to debunk it in a way that does not make you look like a peanut butter fucker?
Hey I’m not trying to attack you, and I did not disagree with the nuclear inspection reports (though technically you didn’t cite that you just pointed vaguely in the direction of where citations would not exist), I just asked for more than one example. You are the one making the claim that every international report says the Iranians have never lied, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, say, three specific examples of those reports.
I’m not looking to debunk, I’m looking to learn and as you have pointed out, Google is only going to show me the propaganda view and not the international reports you have claimed exist that say “EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.”
Absence of reporting from sources other than US news is not evidence of Iran being proven to be telling the truth about every situation they’ve ever talked about. Show me some of these international reports, I would love to read them.
If I was Iran and I had the resources.
I would design water mines with propellers and encrypted tracking.
Move them around when letting someone pass and move them back to where they were. That way if some asshat thought they could just track the previous ship’s route to bypass the mines, they would be in for a surprise.
I would also move them around a bit all the time.
I would also have the coordinates be encrypted in a way that it seemed like it was easy to break. But actually it was a fake out and gave the wrong coordinates to whomever tried to hack it.
Surprise mf-er.
Pentagon would be like. “We so smart. We totally figured out their encryption and we know where all the mines are”.
Because people who think they are hot shit always fall for that kind of thing. Always.
I would also have a lot of fake mines all over. Those would be where the fake-out coordinates said they were.
That would definitely make the Pentagon think they cracked the encryption and also maybe waste a bunch of missiles on trying to shoot them.
Anyway. That would be my strategy.
Why not use remote torpedo’s on the bottom. They could sit idle until called upon, they could be fired by acoustics, all tracking is passive- no transmitted signals, they have actual range and reach as opposed to local contact
This is not a new idea for littoral defense
Doubt.
Consider:
You want to play a prank on your friend. She’s about to give a tremendously important piano recital in front of a tremendous crowd. It’s a big deal, but unfortunately, you are an asshole and “It’s just a prank, bro.” You put a woopie-cushion filled with gravy under the seat of maybe a third of the chairs in the auditorium. But these aren’t ordinary woopie-cushions. You replaced the actual seat cushions, disguising them so seamlessly that the only way to find them is to sit down on them. These folding chairs get stacked and put away, and you congratulate yourself, knowing that you did a good job. No one will ever find all the woopie cushions.
Your friend hears about your prank, and in outrage, she cancels the performance and moves it to a venue that doesn’t have landmines. But you have no idea where you planted the landmines anymore. You can take a wild guess, but the point was for them to be an undetectable explosive hazard. And undetectable they remain. A year later, the gravy has rotted and congealed. The few woopie cushions that do go off release a toxic biohazard that gets people seriously sick when they detonate.
You’ve made this music venue completely uninhabitable. They have to close for years to clear the toxic sludge out of every corner of the chair storage area. It’s long and expensive. Ten years later, someone finds a woopie cushion that they missed, and ends up in the hospital with a lung infection.
TL;DR. This would be like planting a woopie cushion under a bunch of folding chairs at a giant music venue. Mines are very hard to find and dangerous to everyone, it’s why they shouldn’t be used.
Wow. Have you ever considered writing educational books for children?
Piano recitals, toxic gravy, woopie cushions.
This analogy is so relatable.
Hey, I’m trying! 🥲
I’m not saying I didn’t enjoy the analogy.
Iran unable to open the Strait of Hormuz to more shipping traffic because it needs to keep it full of mines as long as Israel doesn’t respect the ceasefire.
Thanks usa
From Sal, it’s less that they can’t find them then they are creating a toll booth chokepoint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9rslGBcEZQ
This is a huge freedom of navigation issue as well as incursions into Oman territorial waters.
They shouldn’t have started bombing them then
