They once posted a photo of a “crashed F-35” that was so obviously AI generated that there were people the size of garden gnomes walking around the cockpit area.
I get what you’re trying to go for here, yes, a lot of what we know about Iran is filtered through Western propaganda, but it’s also true that they lie, and badly, all the time. America being bad didn’t make the Iranian regime good.
Hmm, looks like you’re right. That specific image wasn’t actually circulated by an official Iranian source.
I’ll admit I missed that, because it was so consistent with all of the other messaging coming out of Iran. The image circulated at a time where - with zero evidence to the effect, and a lot of evidence to the contrary - Iran was claiming to have shot down something like four or five Isreal F-35’s. As far as any independent observers can tell the actual number was zero. Then there’s the current conflict where Iran took videos of a wrecked F-15 and claimed it was an F-35, among other obvious lies.
I’ll freely grant you that specific case; we all get caught out sometimes. But you’re the one trying to argue that Iran, a nation with a long history of proven blatant falsehoods in their official messaging, are some kind of paragons of truth. That doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t also lie like crazy. A lot of nations do. It just means you’re in idiot if you go buying into this teenage morality idea that “US bad = Iran good.” They’re an autocratic regime that lies reflexively… Just like the Trump administration. Anything they say has to be treated with a baseline level of suspicion, and it’s absurd to argue otherwise.
Again, Iran never claimed to shoot down multiple F-35s. They did believe they shot down the F-35 that they put out of service, but that could be generously interpreted as ‘did enough damage to remove it from service permanently’ rather than it actively crashing before returning to base; which western sources agree with.
So again, YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN WHERE THEY HAVE LIED ONCE.
Not a single time.
You have been repeating random things you have seen but have never checked in on, because your brain has been gangraped by the Amerisraeli empire into just being mush.
Iranian state media, quoting military sources, reported that two F-35I Adirs were intercepted and downed by Iranian air defense units during or immediately after their bombing run on targets near Natanz and other strategic installations. One of the pilots, described as a female aviator, was allegedly captured after ejecting over Iranian territory. Iranian Press TV wasted no time in proclaiming this as a global first: “Iran has earned the distinction of being the first country in the world to successfully shoot down fifth-generation fighter jets belonging to the Zionist regime.”
So that’s a no, you have no legitimate source for your beliefs. If you did… you’d just post the Iranian state media post that supposedly exists.
While lot of articles were spawned by the israeli state media post that wholesale made up this idea, NOT ONE SINGLE SOURCE FROM IRAN EXISTS THAT STATES THIS. Not a single one.
So since there are no primary sources for this claim, I would hope you would reconsider your beliefs and maybe be a little critical in the future.
I’m sorry there’s not an easy compendium for you of the times the Amerisraeli empire made shit up and it was proven false?
That undertaking would take weeks, maybe months to years to compile. I’m sorry you haven’t been paying attention. But simply google whatever lie you currently believe Iran has told; and you will find Iran ‘admitting’ to whatever quite honestly – or – you will simply fail to find any non-US sources reporting on the matter because it is so insanely, obviously false that no international news org even tried to make sense of their claims.
You’ll notice this a lot when you start looking at Amerisraeli propaganda; i.e. ‘Kim Jong-Un kills anyone without the same haircut’ or ‘Hamas throws gays off roofs’ or ‘China forces old women to exercise by withholding their pension’ or really anything any ‘news’ organization funded by the NED has ever published.
In most cases there is no way to ‘debunk’ the claims, the same way you cannot ‘debunk’ me alleging that an anonymous source inside your house has reported you fucking your jar of peanut butter.
Even if you heard me reporting that, how are you going to debunk it in a way that does not make you look like a peanut butter fucker?
Hey I’m not trying to attack you, and I did not disagree with the nuclear inspection reports (though technically you didn’t cite that you just pointed vaguely in the direction of where citations would not exist), I just asked for more than one example. You are the one making the claim that every international report says the Iranians have never lied, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, say, three specific examples of those reports.
I’m not looking to debunk, I’m looking to learn and as you have pointed out, Google is only going to show me the propaganda view and not the international reports you have claimed exist that say “EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.”
Absence of reporting from sources other than US news is not evidence of Iran being proven to be telling the truth about every situation they’ve ever talked about. Show me some of these international reports, I would love to read them.
The reason you believe Iran is a ‘world class liar’ is because of your addiction to Amerisreali propaganda.
Just a reminder EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.
They are a third-world country, they don’t have the luxury of lying. period.
They once posted a photo of a “crashed F-35” that was so obviously AI generated that there were people the size of garden gnomes walking around the cockpit area.
I get what you’re trying to go for here, yes, a lot of what we know about Iran is filtered through Western propaganda, but it’s also true that they lie, and badly, all the time. America being bad didn’t make the Iranian regime good.
Did… did you fall for the unverified account that is not related to iran in any way…?
And you’re willingly admitting that you fell for a fake account…?
Hmm, looks like you’re right. That specific image wasn’t actually circulated by an official Iranian source.
I’ll admit I missed that, because it was so consistent with all of the other messaging coming out of Iran. The image circulated at a time where - with zero evidence to the effect, and a lot of evidence to the contrary - Iran was claiming to have shot down something like four or five Isreal F-35’s. As far as any independent observers can tell the actual number was zero. Then there’s the current conflict where Iran took videos of a wrecked F-15 and claimed it was an F-35, among other obvious lies.
I’ll freely grant you that specific case; we all get caught out sometimes. But you’re the one trying to argue that Iran, a nation with a long history of proven blatant falsehoods in their official messaging, are some kind of paragons of truth. That doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t also lie like crazy. A lot of nations do. It just means you’re in idiot if you go buying into this teenage morality idea that “US bad = Iran good.” They’re an autocratic regime that lies reflexively… Just like the Trump administration. Anything they say has to be treated with a baseline level of suspicion, and it’s absurd to argue otherwise.
Again, Iran never claimed to shoot down multiple F-35s. They did believe they shot down the F-35 that they put out of service, but that could be generously interpreted as ‘did enough damage to remove it from service permanently’ rather than it actively crashing before returning to base; which western sources agree with.
So again, YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN WHERE THEY HAVE LIED ONCE.
Not a single time.
You have been repeating random things you have seen but have never checked in on, because your brain has been gangraped by the Amerisraeli empire into just being mush.
https://boltflight.com/f-35-shootdown-controversy-iran-claims-historic-kill-of-israeli-stealth-jets-amid-rising-regional-tensions/
So that’s a no, you have no legitimate source for your beliefs. If you did… you’d just post the Iranian state media post that supposedly exists.
While lot of articles were spawned by the israeli state media post that wholesale made up this idea, NOT ONE SINGLE SOURCE FROM IRAN EXISTS THAT STATES THIS. Not a single one.
So since there are no primary sources for this claim, I would hope you would reconsider your beliefs and maybe be a little critical in the future.
Please accompany your reminder with sources
Sure. look up any timeline of the iran nuclear deal until the US decided, without evidence, to call Iran a liar and pull out of the deal.
That’s one subject. I’m not disagreeing with you, simply asking for broader citations for your broad claim.
I’m sorry there’s not an easy compendium for you of the times the Amerisraeli empire made shit up and it was proven false?
That undertaking would take weeks, maybe months to years to compile. I’m sorry you haven’t been paying attention. But simply google whatever lie you currently believe Iran has told; and you will find Iran ‘admitting’ to whatever quite honestly – or – you will simply fail to find any non-US sources reporting on the matter because it is so insanely, obviously false that no international news org even tried to make sense of their claims.
You’ll notice this a lot when you start looking at Amerisraeli propaganda; i.e. ‘Kim Jong-Un kills anyone without the same haircut’ or ‘Hamas throws gays off roofs’ or ‘China forces old women to exercise by withholding their pension’ or really anything any ‘news’ organization funded by the NED has ever published.
In most cases there is no way to ‘debunk’ the claims, the same way you cannot ‘debunk’ me alleging that an anonymous source inside your house has reported you fucking your jar of peanut butter.
Even if you heard me reporting that, how are you going to debunk it in a way that does not make you look like a peanut butter fucker?
Hey I’m not trying to attack you, and I did not disagree with the nuclear inspection reports (though technically you didn’t cite that you just pointed vaguely in the direction of where citations would not exist), I just asked for more than one example. You are the one making the claim that every international report says the Iranians have never lied, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for, say, three specific examples of those reports.
I’m not looking to debunk, I’m looking to learn and as you have pointed out, Google is only going to show me the propaganda view and not the international reports you have claimed exist that say “EVERY INTERNATIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO IRAN, REGARDLESS OF SUBJECT, HAS SHOWN IRAN HAS ONLY EVER REPORTED FACTS.”
Absence of reporting from sources other than US news is not evidence of Iran being proven to be telling the truth about every situation they’ve ever talked about. Show me some of these international reports, I would love to read them.