There’s shitloads of protests going on over the matter, actually, but much like the protests against all the rest of Trump’s bullshit and especially ICE, you wouldn’t catch the media covering any of them, despite them being nigh-constant.
You mean that one time a bunch of Canadians drove in a line?
Compared to that time a protest was staged across an area the size of Europe? From small towns with a few dozen people to capital cities? And then again? And again?
These were all literally a quick Google search away. And you know what? Almost all of them are from last year, from a couple of cities out of those national protests, because our media is captured and it’s very difficult to find photos of the people scaring off ICE attempting to snatch people in broad daylight or the masses of abandoned cars in Chicago - some of them still running - from all the ICE raids. Or the community watch groups that have sprouted up to track where ICE agents are in the city. I couldn’t find a single picture of the protests from Boston then where there were more protesters in the city than the total population of the city. Most of what I saw was pro-ICE propaganda from news outlets about immigrants in NYC “cheering for ICE after capture of violent gang members” and other nonsense.
Oh, so you can dish it out but can’t take it when someone else handwaves away your effort?
I’m a trans woman living in the US. I absolutely know what I’m talking about. I’ve been keeping up with politics since I was a pre-teen just so I could know what rights of mine were being stripped away in which states. I’m illegal in 41+ countries in the world and 20 states in my own country.
Keep thumping your chest about your little Sunday drive while people are chasing ICE agents out of their neighborhoods.
But good to know this man never led a “real protest.”
I have been able to talk some of my neighbors into at least saying that we’ll stand together should ICE comes. But getting them to cross state lines? Or even do a Rent/Mortgage strike is just too many steps too far for most of them. Especially when take into account that it’s days of travel, and you still need money for food and gas. Also our families needs food, shelter, and so on.
Surviving even at selfish costs, is unfortunately the Las Vegan way.
I at the very least thought a Rent/Mortgage strike would appeal to those selfish and apathetic, but somehow a strike that keeps your resources in your pocket is less liked than a General Strike that you have build resources for ahead of time. And arguing that we should encourage our homeless population to just take up homes that are sitting empty due to corps buying up houses for renting out was… well let’s just say I have to wait until people are more fed up before I can bring up that particular strategy again.
Hell getting people to go armed to protests has been met with hard no’s even after I point out how different police act when people are armed. And that all you need to do is look at the Bundy Ranch standoff to see how much different police treat those that are armed. (The police at the time came in unarmed, and without body armor to negotiate just so they wouldn’t set off the snipers).
So you want to know why we’re not using the unique way of protesting? Logistics, survival, and because most Americans prefer to be livestock for the Oligarchs than to actually be wolves fighting for our liberty, and will make every excuse to just wait for the slaughter.
I think that if the United States we know are replaced, we will need the new Constitution to enshrine UBI. Part of that should be free fuel, food, and lodgings. By providing such things, it will be much easier for people to protest. Right now, you have to risk losing everything if you dare wander off the corporate reservations.
No work? No agency. Have work? no agency.
We must work towards ensuring agency for every single person.
I’ve been thinking the exact same things. A New Constitution is what is required. Our Founding Fathers always planned for such events, and we were expected to rewrite The Constitution as needed, including upto building completely from new.
IMO, a government should only exist in service to the people, and when it fails at that service it needs to be reformed.
Armed protests don’t always end well. Michigan in the 00’s had a gay libertarian host a legalization of Marijuana petition to get the issue on the ballot, at his Rainbow ranch in like battle creek or something. Police fucked with them and the Michigan Militia showed up to defend them. State police shot the owner of the ranch with a sniper for no good reason after a bit.
Your argument doesn’t hold much water when the alternative currently is letting them haul you and yours to a concentration camp, and are already killing Americans in the street at unarmed protests. Context and the amount of guns being the big difference, as I could not find any evidence that the Michigan Militia was involved. Only mention of them is that they provided unarmed security for the farm before the conflict arose but we’re not present for the actual standoff.
So I’m going to need a source backing up your claims.
All the ones that know what’s happening are aware they are losing their freedom.
Im not bothered by maga or ignorant people not doing anything.
Its all the people that know what is happening. That think posting “release the Epstein files” will help. It would if they did it on congress’ front lawn, but not in their echo chambers.
First rule of operational security: if you’re going to do something, don’t tell anyone that you’re going to do something. Especially on social media/someplace with easily traceable records.
How about you start blaming German Jews for letting Hitler start WW2 next?
Americans pretending they are like German Jews in WWII so they don’t have to do anything about their shit government might be the most offensive ignorant thing I’ve ever heard.
I’m a trans woman in the US, a group who the government had already been stealing official documents from since before Trump was even officially in office and who states have been banning from public life, creating lists of, and trying to deny medical care to for years. We’ve been saying for a decade that conservatives would love nothing more than to round us all up and put us in camps. Guess what conservatives have expressed their desire to do?
Come at me again and tell me I’m not doing anything about my government when you don’t know the first thing about me.
You sir, are a fucking moron and transphobic to boot. Go be racist somewhere else.
It absolutely did not, by such wide margin you’re just straight up trying to start shit. If we count all the votes trump got as legit (which is increasingly looking like complete bullshit), even then he barely got 33% of the eligible vote.
He lost the popular vote, even with absolutely COLOSSAL amounts of voter disenfranchisement preventing Democratic voters from even voting in the first place, and a shitload of their votes being invalidated or even just outright thrown away, and we still don’t know how much damage Musk did with his control over the polling machines.
They have a lobbyist organization that controls our gov. AIPAC. Basically, give money to legislators so that they send funding to your country. I assume there is only one answer that makes them not a Mossad target. Anyways, Americans have been sick of war since before I was born. Literally no side of politics agrees with aid to Israel. There are a few crazies that do, but even most Trumpers here are not on board with it. I’m in the deep red South and even here Republicans have complained about Israel since I was a kid. Obviously liberals hate giving aid to Israel, but the Dems politicians are bought by the time they run for office. Even Kamala supported Israel. It’s a mess. So if we have taxation and no representation, that’s stealing.
I see, so they are stealing my giving money to American politicians.
It’s going to be an amazing day when Americans discover that the kinship between Israel and America isn’t bought, it’s simply the shared heritage of two nations born from genocide and corruption.
You annihilated an entire race to exist, why shouldn’t they? That’s your bond, the brotherhood of monsters.
I am shocked that america isn’t 24/7 protests.
There’s shitloads of protests going on over the matter, actually, but much like the protests against all the rest of Trump’s bullshit and especially ICE, you wouldn’t catch the media covering any of them, despite them being nigh-constant.
Show me. Why isn’t lemmy full of protests?
They can stop many news outlets, but not all of them. Not all social media platforms.
The protests are small and insignificant.
They should be massive. Like the trucker convoy in Canada was.
You mean that one time a bunch of Canadians drove in a line?
Compared to that time a protest was staged across an area the size of Europe? From small towns with a few dozen people to capital cities? And then again? And again?
These were all literally a quick Google search away. And you know what? Almost all of them are from last year, from a couple of cities out of those national protests, because our media is captured and it’s very difficult to find photos of the people scaring off ICE attempting to snatch people in broad daylight or the masses of abandoned cars in Chicago - some of them still running - from all the ICE raids. Or the community watch groups that have sprouted up to track where ICE agents are in the city. I couldn’t find a single picture of the protests from Boston then where there were more protesters in the city than the total population of the city. Most of what I saw was pro-ICE propaganda from news outlets about immigrants in NYC “cheering for ICE after capture of violent gang members” and other nonsense.
You should educate yourself more about the subject. Because you obviously have no fucking clue what the trucker convoy protest was.
Your little walking parades are not protests. The trucker convoy was a real protest.
I’ve been following American politics very closely. I am very educated on it. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
Oh, so you can dish it out but can’t take it when someone else handwaves away your effort?
I’m a trans woman living in the US. I absolutely know what I’m talking about. I’ve been keeping up with politics since I was a pre-teen just so I could know what rights of mine were being stripped away in which states. I’m illegal in 41+ countries in the world and 20 states in my own country.
Keep thumping your chest about your little Sunday drive while people are chasing ICE agents out of their neighborhoods.
But good to know this man never led a “real protest.”
Americans have a unique way of protesting enshrined in the constitution. They aren’t using it
I have been able to talk some of my neighbors into at least saying that we’ll stand together should ICE comes. But getting them to cross state lines? Or even do a Rent/Mortgage strike is just too many steps too far for most of them. Especially when take into account that it’s days of travel, and you still need money for food and gas. Also our families needs food, shelter, and so on.
Surviving even at selfish costs, is unfortunately the Las Vegan way.
I at the very least thought a Rent/Mortgage strike would appeal to those selfish and apathetic, but somehow a strike that keeps your resources in your pocket is less liked than a General Strike that you have build resources for ahead of time. And arguing that we should encourage our homeless population to just take up homes that are sitting empty due to corps buying up houses for renting out was… well let’s just say I have to wait until people are more fed up before I can bring up that particular strategy again.
Hell getting people to go armed to protests has been met with hard no’s even after I point out how different police act when people are armed. And that all you need to do is look at the Bundy Ranch standoff to see how much different police treat those that are armed. (The police at the time came in unarmed, and without body armor to negotiate just so they wouldn’t set off the snipers).
So you want to know why we’re not using the unique way of protesting? Logistics, survival, and because most Americans prefer to be livestock for the Oligarchs than to actually be wolves fighting for our liberty, and will make every excuse to just wait for the slaughter.
I think that if the United States we know are replaced, we will need the new Constitution to enshrine UBI. Part of that should be free fuel, food, and lodgings. By providing such things, it will be much easier for people to protest. Right now, you have to risk losing everything if you dare wander off the corporate reservations.
No work? No agency. Have work? no agency.
We must work towards ensuring agency for every single person.
I’ve been thinking the exact same things. A New Constitution is what is required. Our Founding Fathers always planned for such events, and we were expected to rewrite The Constitution as needed, including upto building completely from new.
IMO, a government should only exist in service to the people, and when it fails at that service it needs to be reformed.
Armed protests don’t always end well. Michigan in the 00’s had a gay libertarian host a legalization of Marijuana petition to get the issue on the ballot, at his Rainbow ranch in like battle creek or something. Police fucked with them and the Michigan Militia showed up to defend them. State police shot the owner of the ranch with a sniper for no good reason after a bit.
Your argument doesn’t hold much water when the alternative currently is letting them haul you and yours to a concentration camp, and are already killing Americans in the street at unarmed protests. Context and the amount of guns being the big difference, as I could not find any evidence that the Michigan Militia was involved. Only mention of them is that they provided unarmed security for the farm before the conflict arose but we’re not present for the actual standoff.
So I’m going to need a source backing up your claims.
It is actually, media ignores them
There are still free social media platforms, and they aren’t showing protests.
Wed see them on lemme, if it was 24/7 protests, so, you are not correct.
Most Americans are still not personally affected.
All the ones that know what’s happening are aware they are losing their freedom.
Im not bothered by maga or ignorant people not doing anything.
Its all the people that know what is happening. That think posting “release the Epstein files” will help. It would if they did it on congress’ front lawn, but not in their echo chambers.
They don’t understand they are.
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Fuck off with that. Yes we are.
What did you do about it today?
What are you, a fed? Fuck off.
Sorry for expecting people who pretend to care about the murderous regime running their country to do something about it.
Expect to get painted with the same brush if you don’t even bother to be different from them.
First rule of operational security: if you’re going to do something, don’t tell anyone that you’re going to do something. Especially on social media/someplace with easily traceable records.
How about you start blaming German Jews for letting Hitler start WW2 next?
Americans pretending they are like German Jews in WWII so they don’t have to do anything about their shit government might be the most offensive ignorant thing I’ve ever heard.
You sir, are a fucking moron.
I’m a trans woman in the US, a group who the government had already been stealing official documents from since before Trump was even officially in office and who states have been banning from public life, creating lists of, and trying to deny medical care to for years. We’ve been saying for a decade that conservatives would love nothing more than to round us all up and put us in camps. Guess what conservatives have expressed their desire to do?
Come at me again and tell me I’m not doing anything about my government when you don’t know the first thing about me.
You sir, are a fucking moron and transphobic to boot. Go be racist somewhere else.
The majority of your country either voted for this, or sat at home okay with whatever outcome.
It absolutely did not, by such wide margin you’re just straight up trying to start shit. If we count all the votes trump got as legit (which is increasingly looking like complete bullshit), even then he barely got 33% of the eligible vote.
He lost the popular vote, even with absolutely COLOSSAL amounts of voter disenfranchisement preventing Democratic voters from even voting in the first place, and a shitload of their votes being invalidated or even just outright thrown away, and we still don’t know how much damage Musk did with his control over the polling machines.
Don’t blame me, I voted for kodos.
Yes we are. It’s also ordered by Israel. They have been stealing our money for ages.
Stealing by accepting it when your country sends it to them?
They have a lobbyist organization that controls our gov. AIPAC. Basically, give money to legislators so that they send funding to your country. I assume there is only one answer that makes them not a Mossad target. Anyways, Americans have been sick of war since before I was born. Literally no side of politics agrees with aid to Israel. There are a few crazies that do, but even most Trumpers here are not on board with it. I’m in the deep red South and even here Republicans have complained about Israel since I was a kid. Obviously liberals hate giving aid to Israel, but the Dems politicians are bought by the time they run for office. Even Kamala supported Israel. It’s a mess. So if we have taxation and no representation, that’s stealing.
I see, so they are stealing my giving money to American politicians.
It’s going to be an amazing day when Americans discover that the kinship between Israel and America isn’t bought, it’s simply the shared heritage of two nations born from genocide and corruption.
You annihilated an entire race to exist, why shouldn’t they? That’s your bond, the brotherhood of monsters.