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      The US has been waging war since 2002 when it tried to coup Chavez. Obama continued it by hammering them with sanctions and naming Venezuela an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to U.S. national security. Trump continued it by recognizing the joke candidate Juan Guaidó and ramping up sanctions, Biden paused the sanctions pressure to get some prisoners released and then ramped it right up when they didn’t elect the “correct” candidates, and now Trump isn’t even pretending this has anything to do with human rights or elections or national security or any of that other bullshit. He’s ripped the mask of and told everyone what America has always done. Every demon that this county elects thirst for oil and blood, same as it ever was.

      In short, death to America. Venezuela will break the back of this invasion and I spit on every piggy that serves in this demon country’s army.

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            20 years, ~2000 dead civilians by direct action, over 26,000 dead kids during rhe conflict, and ~10k dead ‘militants*’ in Afghanistan and $2.3 trillion spent.

            All to replace the Taliban with… the Taliban.

            Largely thanks to Trump’s rapid, unplanned withdrawal.

            The shart of the deal, baby.

            *includes post-mortem labelling of boys as young as 12 as ‘militant’ simply by being in the vicinity of a US airstrike. Military gear, insignia, uniform etc nor any other evidence required for determination.

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                GW Bush? Not sure what your point is. The Taliban didn’t break the US invasion, the US left in a hurry with no exit plan and left a power vacuum which the Taliban quickly filled.

                Arguable the Afghanistan war would have achieved anything ‘net positive’ even if the US had carefully slowly exited as they did (somewhat) from Iraq.

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                  Yeah. That’s the point,we are getting closer.

                  Every invasion of a foreign country by the US in the last 50 years was done by a Republican president.

                  Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Grenada, Panama…

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      You… you think Trump would be able to do this without support from the billionaire class? It’s impossible to know what Harris would’ve done if she was president now, but it’s not like she was a principled anti-imperialist.

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        You are mentally deficient if you genuinely believe that harris would have invaded venezuela.

        Holy shit that is incredibly stupid.

        But thanks for revealing you didn’t vote, i guess?

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          WELL WOULD’YA LOOK AT THAT

          Tl;Dr: Hakeem Jeffries brazenly admits that he opposes the fact Trump didn’t seek Congressional authorization for the kidnapping of Maduro, without condemning the ACTUAL FUCKING KIDNAPPING!

          Like come the fuck on, you think I was born yesterday? You think I don’t remember the recent history of this goddamn country? And may I remind you: which president GAVE THE KEYS TO THE CASTLE to the fucking fascist in chief? Which party did that TWICE?

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            You dont have a say when you sit on your hands and do jack shit while being proud of electing a pedophile.

            Your opinion is simply irrelevant.

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              Okay I’ve cooled off. Let me be more patient with you.

              Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.

              — Omar El-Akkad

              El-Akkad makes my point better than I can. If I remember correctly, this quote was written before the election, so the final clause should read: “and somehow managed to make it close.”

              So it may come as a surprise to you, but I do not, in fact, support Donald Trump, nor am I actually proud of my supposed role in getting him elected. I was trolling you. I was tired of you shaming me for maintaining a principled stance against voting as if I had no principles, so I decided to show you what that would actually look like until you realize on your own that I’m not seriously that person. I guess you never caught on. Usually I /s these things out of consideration for my fellow neurodivergent comrades, but, I gotta be real with you, neurodivergent or otherwise, AmeriKKKan feelings are not even on my radar today.

              You can’t shame me into voting for the next war criminal because this system is run by the capitalist class, for the capitalist class, orthogonal to the needs of the working class. The shame lies with the capitalists who make this happen. The capitalist class runs both parties, and they are uniparty on foreign policy, as I have demonstrated in the post you responded to. Voting changes nothing.

              And fine, we can agree to disagree on all those points — but I’m not interested in doing shame Olympics. I don’t give a fuck because I know what makes liberals cheer, so I equally devalue liberal derision. I am plenty ashamed of my country and what every administration has done since white people landed on this fucking continent, as the rest of my post and comment history will show, but I’m not gonna respond the way you want me to respond to liberal shame politics when liberals are in bed with the capitalist class and their monsters — i.e., the Democrats are just as deserving of shame as the Republicans they helped put in power!

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                Hey man.

                Congrats on your principles.

                Venezuela is currently on fire though.

                Your principles helped us to get there.

                And again, because you choose to do nothing, your opinion is irrelevant. You have chosen to sit on your hands and do nothing. So your opinion is equally as valued as the work your hands have done.

                Fucking nothing.

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          The 2025 nobel peace prize was awarded to a woman who demanded that war.

          Trump doesn’t have a direct influence on Norway.

          Harris kept prisoners in prison to use them as firefighters.

          How do you argue that Harris would have never given the order to attack?

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              This is the original, I pasted it once. There is no reason to complain.

              If the points are not good then please reply with an easy counterargument.

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                  It’s a popular comment but I don’t understand why it’s upvoted. Why would Republicans oppose that war and what would be the justification for the impeachment?

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                    Just tell me you dont understand US politics and move on.

                    Republicans would take any chance they had to remove a democrat from the office of president. Their justification would be one of hypocrisy, but lets be honest. If they didn’t have double standards, they wouldnt have standards at all.

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          Why not? Has America acted in any non-imperialistic way since its conception? Do you really think the president in the States is anything else but a PR monkey and a scapegoat for conglomerates (many of them military contractors, so they get the money and the others get their piece of the land)? Please. Maybe a third party option, sure, one that isn’t backed by General Dynamics and Palantir, but Americans simply aren’t that clever nor do they care.

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          You are mentally deficient if you genuinely believe that harris would have invaded venezuela.

          The only real difference might be that an invasion by a Harris administration would be more “surgical” or “covert” or “competent” — i.e. materially the same thing that Trump is doing, but with more liberal “decorum” and procedural “correctness”.

          But thanks for revealing you didn’t vote, i guess?

          Buddy I literally have a “No, I’m not interested in voting for your candidate.” link plastered on my bio. Like I’m a non-voting anarcho-communist and I’m absolutely not secretive about that 🏴🏴🏴

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          I dont think harris wouldve invaded venezuela but ig its extremely low bar. What did obama do in Libya?

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            But what about, but what about, but what about

            Ugh, such tired takes.

            Non voters helped donald trump get elected, and now venezuela is being bombed.

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              I am not even american, who cares what voters did there.

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                who cares what voters did there?

                brings up what voters did there.

                Please read what you say before you hit the post button holy fuck.

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                  ?? America invaded alot of countries under liberal presidencies. For us who wins elections barely changes anything.

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        Fell for what? She is not invading but he is. So what exactly did we fall for?

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          She’s not invading because she wasn’t elected. If she was elected, she would have invaded. That person fell for the lie that the Democrats and Republicans are not identical on foreign policy.

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                “I’ve decided it would have happened and that’s as good as reality” I’ve decided you’re an idiot, so by your own logic it must be true!

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                Bro. You cannot fall for something that will never happen. I beg you to please use your brain.

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                  You cannot fall for something that will never happen.

                  Don’t take this the wrong way but there’s nothing structurally stopping Harris from running in 2028 and winning. So that’s not even as strong an argument as you think it is.

                  But let’s be honest with each other…I wasn’t born yesterday. I was alive during the Obama administrations and the Biden administration. I know this country is uniparty on foreign policy, especially oil and socialist countries. It’s a matter of “when” and “how”, not “if”.

                  So if you have a better meme suggestion then I’m all ears, but clearly that user has been duped by the AmeriKKKan war machine.

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        So how many countries did Democrat-presidents invade in the last 50 years?