Feels very redditty, which is why I’m asking…

Also, what are total buffer size (what does it affect) and session waste (what does it affect)? qbittorrent-nox on Linux.

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      How: lots of storage, good networking infrastructure, patience
      What: anything that was originally recorded on and not just upscaled to 4K
      Time: my current repertoire of 127 torrents I built in five-six years

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      The download isn’t just payload download, it includes the overhead. Even if you only upload, a bit of overhead is always counting towards your download. In practice, this means that the maximum possible ratio you can have is around 32 (meaning, for 32 units uploaded, there’s 1 unit of overhead downloaded). With huge upload sizes, that overhead starts to become relevant.

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        This was new to me. Is there more overhead in these torrenting packets than, say, “normal” TCP/UDP traffic? Or do we just not count up/down ratios on normal traffic and we actually do have the same overhead there? I suppose with overhead, we are referring to all the data that is not the actual data portion of the packets, such as the IP/TCP headers?

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          I’m not actually an expert on the matter, and there is probably someone who knows more.

          There are 2 protocols that qbittorrent uses for data sharing. The oldest one is basic TCP, with the same overhead. The “newer” (it’s already quite old, too) protocol is µTP. It was specifically designed for p2p purposes, specifically torrents. µTP is, among other things, designed to coexist with other traffic without slowing it down. For this purpose, its packet size is variable. On very small packets, the overhead is big, while on larger packets it’s small. I don’t know how different the average overhead is between the 2 protocols, since those variable packets were designed for shared ADSL. Modern broadband probably allows µTP to use bigger packets most of the time.

          From what I can gather, encryption also adds overhead to the traffic.

          This is, however, not the main source of overhead (I don’t even know if that overhead is really counted, I’d have to look more into it). The main source of overhead is actually control traffic (and that’s the reason why you get download even when only uploading). Peers constantly communicate with each other to form the swarm, and they need to request blocks and announce which blocks they have. As far as I understand, this is the main source of the overhead, and it’s independent from the protocol. Your client will announce to other peers what pieces it has, and its capabilities.

          I also don’t know if tracker traffic is included in the count. Your client sends a status to trackers every n minutes, which are specified by the tracker. Those are called announces. Most trackers have announce times between 30 minutes and 1h. If you have 500 torrents, with an average of 5 trackers per torrent and an average announce time of 45 minutes, you’re sending ~3.3k announces per hour. They don’t take much, but they add up.

          DHT and PeX traffic could also be counted, but as with trackers, I don’t know if it is.

          If you start trying to get higher and higher ratios, you’ll notice there’s an asymptotic curve the higher you go. It really seems impossible to get to 30. I once had a client lose its historical up/down data, and without any download, it stopped at a ratio of around 32. This may be the ratio between upload + upload overhead / download overhead (from the PoV of your client).

          Now, while I don’t have any proof and I don’t know how qbittorrent counts overhead, I suspect all those overheads are counted at the same time. So you’re basically stacking them. This is because of the traffic limiter. If you really want to limit traffic to 100mbps, ideally, you’d count every overhead. If you don’t, you could end up with both an unpredictable amount of traffic, and a higher amount of it than 100mbps. If they already implemented a counter that considers all overhead (basically just counting raw packet data), it would make sense that they used it for the global traffic counter.

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      I’m by no means a super user, I mostly download movies that are 1-5gb in size. Been on the same tracker since 2015 and I got 1.35TB downloaded.

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        This is a really good example of how ratios are nothing but relative. It’s literally in the word itself! 😁 So, there are surely people that have much lower ratios than me for the sole reason that they have downloaded MUCH more and simply not yet seeded for the same amount of time. 😊