After the 2008 war, the Goldstone Report addressed IDF strategy in 2009, determining that the “Disproportionate destruction and violence against civilians were part of a deliberate policy.”
1982
The 1982 Lebanon war began on 6 June 1982, when Israel invaded again for the purpose of attacking the Palestine Liberation Organization. The Israeli army laid siege to Beirut. During the conflict, according to Lebanese sources, between 15,000 and 20,000 people were killed, mostly civilians.
On 16 February 1985, Shia Sheik Ibrahim al-Amin declared a manifesto in Lebanon, announcing a resistance movement called Hezbollah, whose goals included combating the Israeli occupation. During the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) the Hezbollah militia waged a guerrilla campaign against Israeli forces occupying Southern Lebanon and their South Lebanon Army proxies.
Throughout the painstaking process of confirming the Israeli withdrawal, Hizballah was at pains to declare its commitment to recovering the last millimeter of Lebanese territory, but it also acknowledged that it would not act hastily to reinitiate violence. In sum, Hizballah’s behavior and deference to state authority have worked to its political advantage. It reaped recognition in an unprecedented meeting between Nasrallah and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who praised Hizballah’s restraint and its promise of cooperation. The meeting with Annan offers a remarkable contrast with Hizballah’s earlier days, when it was hostile to the UN and especially to the UN force in
the south.
Without an agreement between Syria and Israel, there will be little pressure on Hizballah to disarm. Syria’s calculated strategy is to allow Hizballah to serve as a constant reminder of the consequences of continuing to occupy the Golan Heights.This is a role that Hizballah is happy to play, given its enmity toward Israel. At the same time, it remains profoundly aware of the political costs of bringing destruction down on the heads of its supporters, and this further reduces the prospect that Hizballah will initiate attacks on Israel
The doctrine is named after the Dahiya suburb of Beirut, where the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah has its headquarters, which the Israeli military leveled during its assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006 that killed nearly 1,000 civilians, about a third of them children, and caused enormous damage to the country’s civilian infrastructure, including power plants, sewage treatment plants, bridges, and port facilities.
It was formulated by then-General Gadi Eisenkot when he was Chief of Northern Command. As he explained in 2008 referring to a future war on Lebanon: "What happened in the Dahiya quarter of Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired on… We will apply disproportionate force on it (village) and cause great damage and destruction there. From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases… This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved.” Eisenkot went on to become chief of the general staff of the Israeli military before retiring in 2019.
While it became official Israeli military doctrine after Israel’s 2006 attack on Lebanon, Israel’s military has used disproportionate force and targeted Palestinian, Lebanese, and other civilians since Israel was established in 1948 based on the ethnic cleansing of indigenous Palestinians, including dozens of massacres to force them to flee for their lives.
Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.
While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.
So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.
Hezbollah committed acts of terrorism and political violence and intimidation in Lebanon
Hezbollah was fighting with Assad against the people of Syria and is, if not directly, at the very least indirectly responsible for the countless atrocities of the Assad regime against the people of Syria.
Again, Hezbollah could have chosen to simply fight Israeli aggression and leave it at that and I’d support them, but they didn’t.
‘Both-sides’-ing this makes no sense
You’re correct, ‘both-sides’-ing creates a false dichotomy. There are way more than just those 2 factions in this conflict. And sure, maybe Israel is the worst one, I’m not going to argue either way. But Hezbollah is pretty high up on the asshole ranking.
Lol when did the lebanese ever defended a single lebanese? If the lebanese army was strong and was nit blocked from attacking Israel by France and the usa demands, hizbollah would have not existed.
Without hizbollah south lebanon if not all lebanon would have been colonized . I don’t know how you shamelessly say Israel and Hizbollah are equally evil.
The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.
that’s complete bullshit.
If you take the timeline starting in 2026, then either Israel and the US are the aggressors and the scope is bigger than just Israel and Hezbollah, or you insist on limiting it to only Israel and Hezbollah but Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you start from 2023, then again, if you only look at Israel and Hezbollah, then Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you expand the timeline beyond that you really cannot limit the scope to just those two belligerents, because all the regional conflicts are way too interwoven.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
Even in 2023 Israel was the aggressor. In response to Israel geocoding Palestinians Hezbollah launched rockets on occupied land, Israel went and targeted civilians infrastructures and Lebanese civilians . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group no amount of bullshit from your side is going to change that.
1982 Israel occupied Lebanon, Israel is the aggressor, 2006 Israel had Lebanese is jail, Israel is the aggressor, post 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanese in breach of the resolution 1701 , Israel was the aggressor, 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanon despite a cease fire, again Israel the aggressor.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
Again the context in this post is Hezbollah vs Israel . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
You are trying to frame the debate as both are aggressors to reject Hezbollah right to resistance which would allow Israel to occupy under pretext of security, then start putting settlers and finally after few years declare sovereignty on those land. My stand is more nuanced with facts. I did acknowledge that Hezbollah did atrocities but in the context of the war still in the context of the post Israel is the only aggressor.
Even in 2023 Israel was the aggressor. In response to Israel geocoding Palestinians Hezbollah launched rockets on occupied land, Israel went and targeted civilians infrastructures and Lebanese civilians.
Dude, you said Israel is the aggressor when only looking at Israel and Hezbollah and then include Palestine.
So are we looking at only Israel and Hezbollah, or are we looking at Israel, Hezbollah, and other factions? And if so, why are we only including the factions that help your case, instead of all factions involved?
You are treating this as a sports match, it’s fucking not.
No, nitpicking is how you arrive at the truth. And the truth is that Israel are genocidal aggressors. But the truth is also that Hezbollah are aggressors.
Calling any criticism of Israel’s enemies “Hasbara” is the exact same bullshit as Israel calling criticism “Antisemitism”. Different side of the same shit coin.
Israel as the the colonial power who invasion colonizing Lebanon and other arab countries in a Greater Israel project is perfectly in the context . I included all the factions involved .
You are treating this as a sports match, it’s fucking no
I am not .You could have said Hezbollah has the right to resist Israeli occupation but let’s not forget Hezbollah atrocities and I would not have a problem with it . Your framing delegitimize that right. I am sick of hypocrites trying to delegitimize resistance groups and treat them like colonizers.
The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.
I am sick of hypocrites trying to delegitimize resistance groups and treat them like colonizers.
Hezbollah had the legitimacy of a resistance group until they defeated the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.
Continuing to fight Israel from Lebanese territory without the express consent of the people and the government of Lebanon delegitimizes them as resistance fighters.
And their support of Assad and his Alawite oppression of Syria made them colonizers in their own right.
In the example of WW2 that you brought up, Soviet forces were the resistance fighters against Nazi aggression and colonization right until the point that Germany surrendered. Their refusal to then withdraw made them the aggressors and colonizers in turn. And that is not even to speak of the Baltics, where the Soviets were the original aggressors and colonizers.
Acknowledging the capacity of resistance fighters to become colonizers themselves is not hypocrisy. What is hypocrisy is letting the aggression and colonization of a group slide because they are/were resistance fighters themselves.
Hezbollah, a powerful armed group backed by Iran, said it had launched guided rockets and artillery onto three posts in Shebaa Farms “in solidarity” with the Palestinian people.
This is only coherent with the “history started on Oct 7” mentality. Hezbollah are terrorists, so is the IDF. Trying to decide who’s in the moral right is madness, but who started it isn’t complicated or ambiguous.
no, it doesn’t. It implies that Hezbollah are aggressors, which they are, just as much as Israel.
The Lebanese are the victims of both.
Sorry, but clearly the people defending their country are the defenders. I’m not a fan of propaganda or doublespeak.
Yes, the Lebanese army.
The IDF and Hezbollah are the aggressors.
The IOF have always been the aggressors. Hezbollah only exists because of the IOF invasions, ethnic cleansings, and settler colonialism of Lebanon.
So the fact that an occupying terrorist group was spawned by an occupying terrorist group excuses their occupation and terrorism?
They could have been fighting Israeli aggression, terrorism, and occupation without becoming occupiers and terrorists themselves. But they didn’t.
Dude, we get it. You have no clue what you’re talking about. There’s some guides on hasbara I’m sure you can find, you could use the help.
Again, Hezbollah only exists because of massacres like Sabra and Shatila, along with the other massacres utilizing the Dahiya doctrine during the 6 Israeli invasions
1982
Israeli Withdrawal
2006
2007 - 2022
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/17/beyond-hezbollah-the-history-of-tensions-between-lebanon-and-israel
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict
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2023-2025
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/18/hezbollah-and-israel-a-timeline-of-conflict
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/15/mapping-israel-lebanon-cross-border-attacks
Can you quote the part where I disputed the fact that Hezbollah exists because of Israeli aggression, occupation, and terrorism?
I fully acknowledge and agree with that.
What do you think an aggressor is?
Or anti-colonialism?
You straight up equated Hezbollah with Israel as ‘both’ colonizers and terrorists.
‘Both-sides’-ing this makes no sense unless your goal is to manufacture consent for the Israeli aggression, or complete ignorance.
Hezbollah committed acts of terrorism and political violence and intimidation in Lebanon
Hezbollah was fighting with Assad against the people of Syria and is, if not directly, at the very least indirectly responsible for the countless atrocities of the Assad regime against the people of Syria.
Again, Hezbollah could have chosen to simply fight Israeli aggression and leave it at that and I’d support them, but they didn’t.
You’re correct, ‘both-sides’-ing creates a false dichotomy. There are way more than just those 2 factions in this conflict. And sure, maybe Israel is the worst one, I’m not going to argue either way. But Hezbollah is pretty high up on the asshole ranking.
Most countries in the world do not design Hizbollah as a terrorist group, only israel’s western countries puppet does.
Quick question dumbass.
Where is the fighting taking place
Lol when did the lebanese ever defended a single lebanese? If the lebanese army was strong and was nit blocked from attacking Israel by France and the usa demands, hizbollah would have not existed.
Without hizbollah south lebanon if not all lebanon would have been colonized . I don’t know how you shamelessly say Israel and Hizbollah are equally evil.
I said both are aggressors, not both are equally evil.
The context of the post is israel vs hizbollah. It that context the only agressor is Israel.
that’s complete bullshit.
If you take the timeline starting in 2026, then either Israel and the US are the aggressors and the scope is bigger than just Israel and Hezbollah, or you insist on limiting it to only Israel and Hezbollah but Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you start from 2023, then again, if you only look at Israel and Hezbollah, then Hezbollah are the aggressors.
If you expand the timeline beyond that you really cannot limit the scope to just those two belligerents, because all the regional conflicts are way too interwoven.
Trying to look for simplistic good vs bad framing might be appealing but is ultimately dishonest.
Wut? Israel has been attacking Lebanon for decades because of their “greater” Israel jerk-off fantasies.
literally the next fucking paragraph in my comment.
Even in 2023 Israel was the aggressor. In response to Israel geocoding Palestinians Hezbollah launched rockets on occupied land, Israel went and targeted civilians infrastructures and Lebanese civilians . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group no amount of bullshit from your side is going to change that.
1982 Israel occupied Lebanon, Israel is the aggressor, 2006 Israel had Lebanese is jail, Israel is the aggressor, post 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanese in breach of the resolution 1701 , Israel was the aggressor, 2026 Israel continued bombing Lebanon despite a cease fire, again Israel the aggressor.
Again the context in this post is Hezbollah vs Israel . Israel is the colonial genocidal power , Hezbollah is the resistance group.
You are trying to frame the debate as both are aggressors to reject Hezbollah right to resistance which would allow Israel to occupy under pretext of security, then start putting settlers and finally after few years declare sovereignty on those land. My stand is more nuanced with facts. I did acknowledge that Hezbollah did atrocities but in the context of the war still in the context of the post Israel is the only aggressor.
Dude, you said Israel is the aggressor when only looking at Israel and Hezbollah and then include Palestine.
So are we looking at only Israel and Hezbollah, or are we looking at Israel, Hezbollah, and other factions? And if so, why are we only including the factions that help your case, instead of all factions involved?
You are treating this as a sports match, it’s fucking not.
Nitpicking is not an argument, it’s hasbara.
No, nitpicking is how you arrive at the truth. And the truth is that Israel are genocidal aggressors. But the truth is also that Hezbollah are aggressors.
Calling any criticism of Israel’s enemies “Hasbara” is the exact same bullshit as Israel calling criticism “Antisemitism”. Different side of the same shit coin.
Israel as the the colonial power who invasion colonizing Lebanon and other arab countries in a Greater Israel project is perfectly in the context . I included all the factions involved .
I am not .You could have said Hezbollah has the right to resist Israeli occupation but let’s not forget Hezbollah atrocities and I would not have a problem with it . Your framing delegitimize that right. I am sick of hypocrites trying to delegitimize resistance groups and treat them like colonizers.
Yeah, right:
Hezbollah had the legitimacy of a resistance group until they defeated the Israeli occupation of Lebanon.
Continuing to fight Israel from Lebanese territory without the express consent of the people and the government of Lebanon delegitimizes them as resistance fighters.
And their support of Assad and his Alawite oppression of Syria made them colonizers in their own right.
In the example of WW2 that you brought up, Soviet forces were the resistance fighters against Nazi aggression and colonization right until the point that Germany surrendered. Their refusal to then withdraw made them the aggressors and colonizers in turn. And that is not even to speak of the Baltics, where the Soviets were the original aggressors and colonizers.
Acknowledging the capacity of resistance fighters to become colonizers themselves is not hypocrisy. What is hypocrisy is letting the aggression and colonization of a group slide because they are/were resistance fighters themselves.
You’ve already been linked sources that debunk what your saying. Try reading up before talking out of your ass
The sources show that Israel is an aggressor, which I never disputed.
This is not true, which the sources show.
That’s what the sources say.
This is only coherent with the “history started on Oct 7” mentality. Hezbollah are terrorists, so is the IDF. Trying to decide who’s in the moral right is madness, but who started it isn’t complicated or ambiguous.
Asking who started it is the wrong question to ask. And the answer changes constantly depending on when you ask it.
Both should equally fuck off.