Chanting ‘from the river to the sea’ would be criminalised under proposed state law

  • marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    Supporting any Palestinian group in Germany in public will get you arrested. All Palestinian charities are banned due to links to ‘terrorism’ (aka the actual government of the gaza strip which any organization would have to work with in order to do things, you know, like how all states work.)

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      Supporting any Palestinian group in Germany in public will get you arrested

      My auntie just visited and left 30 minutes ago. She participates basically in any Pro-Palestine protest in Frankfurt and vincinity. She was never arrested.

      My father, who went to his last demonstrations some 45 years ago even participated in some Pro Palestine protests. He was not arrested.

      My mother wrote to the government of Hesse like every other week to take down the Israel flag in front of the government seat, and, believe it or not, she was not arrested.

      The climate around supporting Palestine in Germany is bad. Many people get arrested and that is wrong. But claims like “showing support for any Palestinian group will get you arrested” are not true (yet).

      One of the big tests whether ‘free speech’ means something or whether Germany is a vassal state is still in the juidical system (obviously source in German). I hope once the constitutional court rules, it’ll be on the right side of history.

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        The idea that people breaking the law do not always get caught means there is no law is ridiculous, especially when you state people are being arrested for it.

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          ‘not getting caught’ as in being in a protest accompanied by a lot of policemen? They don’t go to a dark alley and whisper “free Palestine” in order to not “get caught” 😅

          There’s no law prohibiting to support Palestine. As you can see in the source I linked before. There are very controversial takes about what crosses the line. The famous “from the river to the sea” being one of it. People who are brought to court for that half go free, half get sentenced. That shows that even within “the system” it is very unclear. Thus, it’s about time to get a ruling by the highest court. I guess one day that will even go to the European Court, and I anticipate that it will rule in favor of free speech.

          And guess who’s arrested and brutalized by the police? PoC, because the police is racist, and voicing support for Palestine gives them a reason - like “I heard those PoC say ‘death to all Jews’, so let’s beat them up. If they defend themselves we bring them to court for resistance, all my police buddies heard it as well”. But not because there’s some distinguished law against “supporting Palestine”.

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      Can’t speak for Germany but in the United Kingdom it’s Palestine Action that has been officially declared a terrorist organisation because they stormed an army base. That means it’s illegal to protest for Palestine Action, but you can still protest in support of Palestine.