Wang Yi cautioned against a return to the ‘law of the jungle’ but stopped short of criticising Trump directly

War in the Middle East “should never have happened”, China’s foreign minister Wang Yi has declared, even as he struck a more conciliatory tone with the US ahead of a highly anticipated visit by Donald Trump.

Regime change, a key stated aim of the US president as the US and Israel continue to attack Iran, “will find no popular support”, Wang said on Sunday. “A strong fist does not mean strong reason. The world cannot return to the law of the jungle,” he added.

Speaking on the sidelines of China’s annual parliamentary and political gatherings, known as the Two Sessions, the country’s top diplomat and foreign affairs official notably avoided directly criticising the US.

  • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 hours ago

    Again, you’re just digging the hole deeper:

    • You’re just denying the whole principle of Self-Determination, same as Americans do. It’s not up to other people to decide how somebody else lives their lives. China took every single possible future away from Tibetans, many if not all of which would be better.
    • All your statistics are based on a country which has been heavilly “colonized” by the dominant ethnic group of the invading nation since. Yeah, sure, the Hun live great lives in Tibet, but what about the ethnic-Tibetans? This is like saying the territory of Palestine is much better as it is now with a big chunk of it occupied by Israel than it would be if it remained is it was back when the whole area was ruled by the British - if you both ignore the natural improvements in quality of life it would have had anyway even under self-rule AND look at the average including the colonizers rather than only the original native, you get better numbers.

    Basically you moved from using the American justification argument to using the Israeli justification, which I’m afraid isn’t actually less imperialist, quite the contrary.

    Something completelly different and totally valid, IMHO, is if China had inspired Tibetans to overthrow their leadership and install Communism - similar to Vietnam - but that’s not what China did: China chose annexation and colonization - the path of domination not the path of partnership.

    • Riverside@reddthat.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      5 hours ago

      You’re just denying the whole principle of Self-Determination

      Did you ask Tibetan people what they believe of this? There hasn’t ever been any significant independence movement in Tibet regarding this. I could compare that to my homeland of Spain, which had literal terrorist strikes from ETA because of Basque independence movements, and Catalonia’s extremely tense political situation that led to the imprisonment sentences of high-profile pro-independence politicians such as Charles Puidgemont or Oriol Junqueras. Nothing like this has been seen in Tibet, you’re literally pretending you know better about the self-governance of Tibet than Tibetans themselves. There is not any significant pro-independence political or social movement in Tibet, you’re making up the question of self-determination based on ideas and comparing with the west without analyzing the particular situation of Tibet or the desires of Tibetans.

      Yeah, sure, the Hun live great lives in Tibet

      You probably mean Han? Are you really trying to argue about ethnic policy in China and you literally cannot spell the name of the majority ethnicity in the country? You’re not arguing from a point of being well informed and well-read on the topic, you’re literally repeating Reddit comment-level propaganda.

      what about the ethnic-Tibetans? This is like saying the territory of Palestine is much better as it is now with a big chunk of it occupied by Israel

      Honestly, you’re just showing you are literally making up reality with that comparison, proving yet again that you have literally no idea about the topic. Ethnic Tibetans make up 85+% of the population in the region, Han peoples are 12%ish. Open a book for once in your life and stop regurgitating anti-China propaganda which is clearly not coming from a well-intentioned nuanced critique but from literally made up realities. It’s absolutely fucking insulting that you would dare compare the living standards of ethnic Tibetans in Tibet with the literal genocide of Palestinians in occupied Palestine. This conversation is over, I don’t argue with genocide denialists who minimize the genocide of Palestinians by comparing it to the living conditions of Tibet.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        4 hours ago

        Your take on Self-Determination boils down to just saying “I know better than they do” - you think they should change their mode of government to something else which you think is better and if they don’t then it’s perfectly justified for those who you aprove off to do it for them.

        That’s pure Imperialist bullshit, no different from what from the bullshit out of the elites of every single imperialist power, including America and Russia, and is a variant of the good old “it’s civilized people coming to civilize the barbarians” idea so common in justifying the atrocities European colonialism.

        Maybe me being Portuguese rather than Spanish and my countrymen chosing to kick out the Fascists rather than, like in Spain the Fascists deciding to given themselves immunity for their actions and “allow” a transition to Democracy, explains why I believe that self-determination eventually works and you believe that outsiders imposing their will is a morally righteous path.

        As for the rest, that’s pure dissembling and raging at strawmen to avoid addressing my points - if you could disprove what I wrote you would have done it rather fixating on spelling and raging like a child at your own, self-crafted purposed miscaracterisation of myself and what I wrote.

        You’re obviously putting political loyalty above Principle and in doing so you display the same contemptible lack of Morals and Principles as the worst Americans and Russians.

        Frankly, you sound a lot like the Fascists: different political flag same authoritarian heart.