Can framework physically be upgraded? Yes. Is that practical, realistic, or something the makes sense for a typical user to actually do (beyond RAM and hard drives, which is common to be able to replace on most laptops already)? No. See all the reasons I’ve already covered. To market the product based on that like it is something great that a user will expect to do and why they should buy it, is pretty scammy behavior, especially when the laptop is priced at a premium and this is justified by these impractical features.

Ir16 is as repairable and as easy as framework to replace/upgrade typical components as one should expect for a laptop, like RAM, hard drives, and network card. You remove 9 screws, the bottom panel comes right off, and there is access to those components. I wouldn’t expect to easily replace other parts of it or the entire mainboard, but again, no one is practically going to be doing that with framework either anyway.

an unrelated and fairly ignorant take

It’s actually related (given all of the comments suggesting framework and parroting scam marketting points), and not ignorant, just realistic. People often want to defend their purchase after they’ve been duped.

especially in the Apple space

Offtopic, we are discussing linux laptops.

With Framework its 5 screws

Aw gee, then Framework wins! With Focus IR16 its nine phillips screws… 😩

Either you’re holding onto the case for many many years continuously upgrading, which I question why an old case is so valuable to not just replace it too when you replace the entire mainboard, or you’re not, which makes me question the entire “upgradeable” concept.

Either way it doesn’t really make sense. You can easily upgrade the parts that don’t require a whole new mainboard, already, on literally any other laptop (hard drives, RAM, network card, battery).

It’s neat that you can customize the ports on it and swap them out, which is the only real difference from any other laptop, but to me it seems like a gimmick and doesn’t justify framework premium price when there are plenty of laptops out there with the ports that I need already

Also upgrading CPUs that are so close in generation and only a marginal performance difference like you have done is atypical and does not reflect the purchasing behavior of 99% of users. There’s no real perceivable performance difference between those two CPUs for what most people actually use a laptop to do: web browse.

reusing 90% of the parts

Oops you need a whole new mainboard anyway to upgrade the CPU… oops you need new DDR5 RAM for the new CPU… oops these framework parts cost a premium at about the same cost as a new laptop anyay. Congrats, you now have an upgraded laptop in an old case that’s already gone through wear and tear… at least you kept the SSD that could have been popped into a new laptop as a secondary drive?

If the laptop is old enough to merit CPU upgrade, then its likely already experienced plenty of wear and tear. Also I never said anything about the screen wearing out, I specifically said the case. I gave credit that at least the screen would carry over

in a few years

You’d think the point of repair and upgrade would be for the laptop to exist and be used for more than just a “few years” (otherwise what is the point?) so consider the realistic and more likely case of upgrading it more than a few years from now. Its worth it to keep an old used case, especially when you are paying a premium for framework?

It’s great that it can be repaired easily though and there are internal parts available for purchase, but you can also find internal parts to many laptops available if you look for them, the only real difference is ease of repair

I considered buying framework for my laptop but once I thought about it realistically, it stopped making much sense.

So… all the normal stuff that is normally upgradeable on a normal laptop is upgradeable for framework too? Good point…

The only “replacing the entire guts” you would do is if you replaced the mainboard for a CPU upgrade

That’s exactly my point, yes. Again, the “upgradeability” of a framework laptop is unrealistic at best and a scam at worst. It’s exactly as upgradeable as most laptops unless you’re replacing the whole mainboard which is not very realistic. By that point there is likely enough wear and tear that it makes no sense to keep the case, keyboard, and screen… and with framework premium prices you aren’t saving money on the SSD or RAM (which, no, you likely can’t reuse on a CPU upgrade, most likely you’ll be going DDR4->DDR5). I do give them credit for repairability, which is great, but “upgradeability” specifically is basically a marketing scam and will not make any sense for 99% of users.

I expected the downvotes on my comment because my opinion goes against the framework fanboys, but I hope my suggestion of KFocus IR16 is not discounted because of my opinions on framework. It is truly a great choice for linux compatibility

https://kfocus.org/spec/spec-ir16.html this is an absolute gem, built just for linux. It comes with KUbuntu preinstalled but can be wiped and replaced with any flavor of linux, and all of the hardware and laptop functionality is fully supported by linux.

Framework is way overhyped and even more overpriced. Its “upgradeability” is totally unrealistic at best, scam at worst. Sure you can pop in a new USB port or display output, but that’s about it before you’re replacing the entire guts to upgrade it and keeping just the worn out case and screen…? Gee sounds great… Repairability is a real point for framework though. Can you still not update the BIOS on linux? Its linux support is historically not great but may have improved

It’s the pro driver for workstation use. If you are gaming then you don’t need it. The gaming driver is only open source

I don’t want any proprietary drivers

So then you don’t want any NVIDIA.

The AMD open source Linux driver performs better than their Windows driver. And there is no proprietary AMD Linux driver, the official AMD driver for Linux is open source.

Agreed.

Because they were banned.

I didn’t make this claim, no

Because they would just be inactive rather than banned? You’re the one claiming that bans have occurred, which would be a major censorship issue for lemmy…

Um… modlog is public. Where’s your evidence?

Notice how all those bot accounts that were so active leading up to the election have completely vanished from the internet now? Yeah.

“basic operational and information security” includes not creating and publishing incriminating evidence against yourself. That’s totally foolish

Don’t film yourself doing this… especially don’t upload that video to the internet

I just disagree, but that’s okay. This is about presentation of code to the viewer which makes it a responsibility of the IDE and not a responsibility of the language. You’re right that the line references would need to be kept in sync, but I think that would be trivial.

This makes more sense, to me, to be stored in some IDE project config file than be present in and cluttering up the actual source code. This should be an IDE feature instead of a language feature IMO

Bro forgot Squeeb4J

It has value in natural language processing, like turning unstructured natural language data into structured data. Not suitable for all situations though, like situations that cannot tolerate hallucinations.

Its also good for reorganizing information and presenting it in a different format; and also classification of semantic meaning of text. It’s good for pretty much anything dealing with semantic meaning, really.

I see people often trying to use generative AI as a knowledge store, such as asking an AI assistant factual questions, but this is an invalid usecase.