The problem with conspiracy theories is that they’re trying to assign a single point of blame to a complete systemic failure. The feeling is that if we can simply find out who is doing this and boil it down to one person or one group we can then simply attack that group and solve all our problems. That’s exactly the ox that fascism has yolked on its ride to power in every single generation.

Maybe I spoke a bit too fast, if the rocket from Gaza looks like it’s not going to fall on anybody, the Iron Dome does not turn on. So to make the Iron Dome turn on, Gaza has to point the rockets at people. Does that make more sense to you? Your reply doesn’t make sense in this context so I feel like you’re confused.

Just flat out lying now. I’m done here.

It’s a two party system, so if you didn’t vote for the loser you effectively voted for the winner. You should be used to logical leaps enough to understand that; if you can vote, your vote matters even if you don’t use it. Not using it is a choice, and choices have consequences.

Hamas’s rockets have been untargeted with next to zero actual civilian casualties, the purpose is to financially exhaust the “Iron Dome” system.

Your statement is a logical contradiction. The Iron Dome does not activate when the projected path of the rocket does not appear to target civilians, so the only way to activate Iron Dome is to target civilians. Untargeted would imply that they’re just sending them in random directions which is obviously not the case. No surprise though since Gaza has been intentionally targeting civilians since 1950. One could say almost exclusively targeting civilians. They’ve been begging for exactly what they finally got, but they hoped for a repeat of the six day war with a happier ending. Imagine that each bomb dropped on Gaza today is a refund of a bomb that has been thrown at Israel over the last 20 years, the difference is that Israel has bigger bombs and Hamas has known this the whole time.

The internet loves videos of a little guy picking on a bigger stronger guy and then getting smashed into paste for his trouble. That’s how this looks. Y’all were doing so well being sympathetic victims EVEN WITH the constant rocket barrage, then you took it too far and now it’s the find out phase.

To bring this back to the subject of your vote for Trump; Israel exists in its current form as a projection of American influence, from its very inception this was intended to be the case. Its very existence relies on the fact that the usa can use Israel as a base of operations when it comes to keeping the flow of oil moving, and as long as that area has oil that we want this is going to continue regardless of anything else. Not voting for the people who have some shame and want it soft lands you with the people with no shame who wouldn’t scrape a dead Gazian child off their shoe, and that’s where we are right now.

Rewrite your comment except make it about “the Jews” re: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. How does it sound when you frame it that way?

The point of the original comparison was to draw attention to how you’re equating the militant groups involved with Oct. 7 (Hamas, PIJ) with the ENTIRE Palestinian people, which includes not only people under Hamas rule, in the West Bank, and in the international Palestinian diaspora. Was that not clear?

Yes, this is not clear. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising is an invalid comparison to Oct 7th, and your further attempts to compare the two fall flat and in fact manage to further vilify Hamas and Gaza who have been attempting to ignite this very war for the majority of my adult life by shooting an unending barrage of rockets and mortars at civilian targets while using their countrymen as willing human shields

I asked what they thought the outcome of Oct 7th was going to be, and you said ‘but what if it was like the Warsaw Uprising? would you still say that?’ And the answer is no, because the situations are not similar. You tried to rationalize Gaza as a ghetto being invaded by the SS and that’s why they had to attack civilians and take civilian hostages on Oct 7th. I tried to explain that I reject you rationalization, but I see we’re straying very far away from ‘isreal bad’ so I am not surprised you’re losing track of the conversation

A big problem for me is that I’m experiencing ‘respect whiplash’, as I used to be very pro-palestine and very against the isreal settlements, then Oct 7 happen and I got to watch live as Palestinians fed grenades into a civilian bunker until everyone inside was dead. Do you have any idea how hard it is to come back from that?

So you made a stupid statement, and when I call you out you shuffle the goalposts around. Yes, this is why you outside your circle you’re just an angry buzzing noise.

Oh god no, not all of them, just the ones who didn’t vote, and those are the ones responsible for this new fresh hell the Palestinians go through as the ceasefire turns into concentration camps and involuntary deportation to Egypt and Jordan.

If you really think Kamela would be saying things like ‘why don’t we just evict all the Palestinians from Gaza’ right now then you’re not interfacing with the same reality that the rest of us are.

That’s an awesome ideal that has never been more further away due to the inaction of team pro-palestine! We’re now in a real danger of all of those very necessary protests becoming criminalized instead! Everything you say you want is now impossible for a generation because the way you tried to get them was so lazy!

So now you’re trying to frame Oct 7th as a defensive action against an invading force? This shit is why you don’t get support from people who aren’t myopically pro-palestine.

What did Palestine expect the outcome of Oct 7th to be? What was that intended to accomplish, vs what actually happened?

So since the both sides made it inevitable you really just want it over with faster then, by helping to choose the person who will make sure it’s accomplished faster and with less compassion? You went with the one more likely to start doing the same thing on US soil? This is the choice you endorse?

They don’t have to fight the US, they just have to help the north secede from the south.