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Do that two more times after you’ve died and you might have a shot!

That’s probably not a popular opinion here, but: parents do not have a right to their child. If the child was cool with this, then that is the important part (and from what I read I’d guess he would be).

Let’s posit it the other way around: a deeply religious pair of parents raises a kid that ends up being strongly anti-religion and comes to some “fame” due to that. Would you describe those celebrating that kid as “cunts” as well? And if not: why?

And no, I’m not religious myself and think a lot of that stuff is stupid and much of it is dangerous, but “those parents deserve better” is an argument that’s used in exactly the opposite way in other areas: to oppress kids that don’t “submit to the norm” that their parents think are best.

At a quick, manual count the roman catholic church has canonized about 40 new saints since 2000. Not all those other fuckers are in the distant past ;-)

I hear you, but I still think that the idea of the church and saints hasn’t gotten any worse: it’s “just” that the rest of the world has moved on when they haven’t (which is basically their founding principle).

Or put differently: saints haven’t gotten stupider, but our standards have changed.

Edit: I have to put my own point into relation: the only saints that actually lived in the 21st century from that list seem to be a pope and 21 IS beheading victims, so yeah, even among those recently canonized saints a huge chunk has bean dead for 100+ years.

But is it any more bullshit than any other saint? I don’t think it is.

He’s already #blessed since 2020, by the catholic church. That’s a precondition to becoming a saint.

I find that to be a tricky thought experiment.

Can you run a country in a way that peppers the general population with “all is well” propaganda thoroughly and still manages to capture all the necessary information to make properly informed decisions at some high level?

You’d need some “elite” layer of people who get to see unfiltered, honest information, but how would you even collect that information if even local, low-level government actors are subject to (and meant to believe) the propaganda?

Basically what I’m asking is: if I ignored moral concerns, is there a world where keeping the majority ignorant could actually lead to more efficiency than letting knowledge of the state of things spread?