lol what a fucking stupid thing to say

Nah fewer bad people in the world is better medicine

I’m referring to people talking about the trolley problem, defense, war, etc.

When it comes to killing the CEO I’m not gonna argue it because your position is valid.

I agree it’s “wrong” but I won’t hide my smile, I wouldn’t be sad about some other similar incidents either.

When there is no justice, there can be no peace.

Yes but now you’re discussing nuance whereas in your replies to everyone else you’re making a blanket statement that murder is always wrong.

You can’t reject other peoples’ nuanced arguments with a blanket statement then retreat to making your own when confronted.

Your POV is valid, and I’m not telling you you’re wrong to believe it, but you haven’t been engaging with others in good faith.

you haven’t responded to the myriad comments pointing out when we feel it’s justified to kill someone, like defending yourself and others or at times of war.

So, what’s your stance?

but if the president wears different pants than the previous president that goes to show voting can affect change

how can someone be so lacking in nuance? your world is so black and white lol.

my guy, you really need to think through things more, you’re so simple it’s mind boggling

the world isn’t so black and white, and this kind of attitude (preservation of the status quo, valuing order over justice) is what allows evil to persist.

Sometimes we need to get our hands dirty, and you’re benefiting today from the people willing to do that in past generations.

Sometimes it’s armies storming a beach, sometimes it’s the people checking those in power

lol maybe those kids can shitpost instead and you can pick up a gun. Do you feel good forcing a mother to send her teen son into trench warfare?

Thanks for finally inspiring me to block this cesspool. You’re a scumbag.

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Then go fight. Where’s your answer to that?

Go die instead of some kid. Anti-imperialists used to have balls. Go fight.

Yes the state you were born in is your family and you must defend them like your daughter.

The political body that happened to be in control by force of the territory where your parents fucked owns your soul and can send you to your death when you have barely finished puberty and aren’t even done developing your brain.

The arbitrary social construct of “the state” is a higher form of power that not only can (in the ability sense) but morally must order children to die to defend itself.

Anyone trying to take their family and leave the warzone is a criminal and must be killed. That land must be defended, those politicians have graciously let you live for too long.

You go fight and die in Ukraine, if enough of you did they wouldn’t be sending their kids. You go and do it, I’ll pay for your plane ticket.

there’s no room for this kind of nuance in this community, it’s a bunch of what I can only describe as rabid liberals.

oh I must be a Trump supporting Russia man for saying that.

It’s funny how they’re all choosing to ignore that they can go fight in Ukraine right now. I wonder why they aren’t?

It’s ok to order 18 year olds to do it for them though because “that’s what’s right.”

Yeah, easy for them to say.

I wonder where they’ll draw the line. By the same arguments we should be drafting women and children old enough to hold a gun.

They should all fight and die for their country shouldn’t they? Everyone owes their life to the arbitrary governing body of the region they were born in. They own you and should be able to send you to your death. How liberal.

Yes everyone you don’t like is a Russian agent.

You haven’t answered why you aren’t going to go fight

Maybe we’ll meet on the battlefield ;)

Hey by the way did you hear Hamas forces people to stay in unsafe parts of Gaza as human shields. It’s so evil when the government forces civilians into danger when they could be escaping.

The choice isn’t yours when there’s a draft. If it’s so noble to die defending your state (not people, state) then it should be no problem getting enough volunteers.

Forcing people to fight for their government is wrong. Maybe some are ok with surrender over risking their life, maybe some are staunch pacifists, maybe some feel their lives won’t change very much under new leadership and would prefer to live.

Sending teens into a bloodbath by force isn’t good no matter how you try to spin it. Yes the alternative might be losing, but that is their choice.

You should go fight, they’re accepting foreign volunteers. You go do what you’re asking these children to do. It’s the right thing, isn’t it?

A general strike would stop project 2025 in its tracks

While true, I understand why some people choose not to vote or vote third-party. It’s like the trolley problem, and genocide is a pretty damn good thing to care about, especially when it’s people you identify with getting genocided.

My point was that if liberals joined the left in direct action even outside of elections then our choices would be better in the first place. Voting is the least you can do, and for most rabid Lemmy liberals that go around punching left constantly it’s THE ONLY THING they do.

If they joined the left, we’d all be punching back together. Instead they say “it’s just a little genocide, the other guy is worse, just hold your nose and vote instead of protesting and taking direct political action so we can all go back to doing nothing for 4 more years. You are the problem for being politically engaged out of the voting booth.”

The smug liberal leans back in his chair.

“That will show them for not voting properly. If only they had voted. I did my one and only civic duty of voting, and it was for the less bad candidate. They’re too busy marching and protesting and organizing to see that the only thing we can all do is vote. If only they voted properly.”

This is part of the collapse of American soft power around the world.

Man, if they invented a way to grab a pint together anonymously online I’d be glad to talk each other’s ears off about how misinformed the average person is about the economic and political functions of our society.

I think it’s a little harsh to say this is only true of right wingers, but I’ve said much worse depending how spicy I’m feeling on any given day.

If more people really understood what terms like capitalism, communism, socialism, and liberalism meant we could have more meaningful political debate across ideological boundaries when it comes to electing our government.

I don’t blame individuals, though, it’s hard to ask someone to learn these things when everyone is just taking life day by day and trying to survive. Ironically this alienation is part of Marxist theory and the people that would most benefit from class consciousness are the ones that have the highest pressures keeping them heads down.

That’s how politics turns into an emotional debate with teams and colors and brands.

I think the left needs to embrace it moreso, people want to see their feelings reflected in their leaders, and Conservatives excel at this theatre.