Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough since I stated it at the end of the message instead of the beginning. I agree with basically everything you said, except using the ukranian war support as an example of the production capabilities of the EU industry.

Sorry if it came out as if I wanted to attack you on points you agreed upon, I just used you improperly as a way to post those points out more clearly for others to see.

It’s not entirely correct to use the ukranian war as an example of EU industries not being able to supply enough: the US took the lead there an EU expected support to last so they didn’t even make the effort. Most of our industries SELL abroad an ukraine was not needing our support since the US was supposed to cover for it.

Granted the industry is fragmented and not really cohesive, so it would lack in the quantity, but I was merely referring to quality as in we are able to create top of the line weapons and systems that are the best of the world (exluding stealth fighter jets).

If the EU focuses in one direction and stops selling all around… And seeing how it is being basically forced to do so.

This was more of an answer to the guys saying “EU just buys US weapons because those are the best!” Rather than a direct answer to you, but I’d rather answer to someone capable of reasoning…

I love reading about people not knowing the EU military industry writing about how it’s somehow weak. Newsflash: it’s not. We don’t talk or write about it 'cause it’s sensitive data. We protect sensitive data. Our armies may not be strong, but our military industry is.

Me, a male reading mostly manhwa of the romance fantasy genre where 99% of it have female protagonists: yeah, this is not talking about me. This kind of discussions are more about creating conflict rather than understanding. If people have time to start fights about the sex of the characters they have no interest in the story itself. Statistics on who is drawn more are kinda useless…

I doubt we will get there. It’s not the same situation. You don’t only get more money and stability, you also get services and better quality of life overall. Imagine you live in italy: pay a lot of taxes and have broken roads, trash everywhere, public transportation with high record absenteism so basically working half the time but for some reasons record high number of politicians and their salary is also record high. Meanwhile if you want to do research/teach you get the lowest wages in the EU, you look for jobs and everyone wants to hire you off the books, government keeps cutting healtcare/pensions… Especially if you learned another language you yend to run as far away from here, you may get up to 5 times your salary in italy and do what you actually wanna work on, and live better too. You may have to pay more taxes, but you’ll be able to afford it and get something in return too. Funny enough you could even have vacations in your own country since you’ll now be able to afford it lol