Hey look! A distraction!!

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what the hell are you talking about? look at the jewish populations in nearly every single country in the middle east compared to what they were at the beginning of the 20th century.

I will block anyone who tries to be this disingenuous with their statements. You aren’t worth my time.

I don’t agree with you on your point about finishing the job.

How is Israel fascist?

Its been flawed for a pretty long time at this point. The fact that Russia has remained a member for all these years is proof enough of that.

israel is more of a democracy at this point than the united states.

proof of your inability to read.

I love how you guys try to push this dishonest argument that everything started in 1948. It did not. Things happened before that. There was violence on both sides, with full blown pogroms breaking out in 1920, 1921, and 1929. Arabs were offered a much bigger chunk of the region, they refused it because they wanted all of the land which would have meant the eradication of the jews in the region, much as has occurred elsewhere throughout the middle east. The Jews fought back with Israel and people like you just don’t seem to like it.

I’m so tired of getting in this repeated argument about this very same thing with people like you who just refuse to acknowledge history before 1948. The history matters, no matter how much you want to try to ignore it.

where did i mention manifest destiny?

i am aware. its too bad other people here aren’t – or just, seemingly, refuse to acknowledge it.

im not using these land ties to justify genocide, only to show that your point, while i know its sarcastic, doesn’t really hold much weight. Jews were literally invited to the region by the ottomans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

I know we don’t like reddit here, but this post contains just a smidgin of my potential rebuttal.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/azhzx1/around_the_turn_of_the_16th_century_thousands_of/

This is a very poor comparison. I think you already know that though.

Were the jews violently attacking the germans prior to the holocaust?

I don’t know why people like you can’t seem to comprehend the idea that the Israelis have been living in the region for thousands of years. Yes a lot of Israelis returned to Israel in 20th century, but it is their ancestral homeland (Jews were expelled from the region – you are aware that they were subject to forced expulsion, aren’t you?), and the fact of the matter is european migration to the area goes back to the 1500s. Those migrants didn’t steal their land and they didn’t just come uninvited.

And both sides have acted in a genocidal manner toward the other at this point. Many people would argue that Israel has even restrained itself. If you want to sit there and act as if Gazans wouldn’t kill every single jew in Israel given the opportunity you can go ahead and delude yourself, but they have already stated that they would and the rest of the middle east serves as extremely good evidence of the violently homogenized culture of the region.

You cannot just pick and choose the parts of history which serve your purpose.

Its not that difficult. In fact that state already exists.

i’m going to say something that i’m sure people are going to hate and i may be banned for saying it. buts its just an opinion based on decades and decades of history…

If Israel doesn’t finish this now, it is just going to happen again. Its painful to watch, but its the truth. Netanyahu is an ass, but he’s right. A two state solution is a fantasy pipe dream that will never ever work.

What I find crazy is that in 2024 I was telling people if they vote 3rd party, they’re basically just voting for trump. Fast forward to today, and I’m thinking maybe now is the time to vote for those 3rd party candidates. Voting for dems, even if they win, doesn’t seem to be helping much. Biden was basically useless in doing the most important thing he had to do; secure our elections. Maybe the democratic party needs to just die. And while I say that, I’m fully aware that the country will only slip deeper into dictatorship and fascism if democrats lose to republicans, but maybe that just needs to happen. Maybe things need to get really fucking bad for people to actually wake up and realize that voting, protesting, doing all this docile shit… is just completely impotent and worthless. Look at Nepal, they picked up their torches and took their country back in just a few days!!!

America didn’t wimp out, it’s government is just completely non-functional.