• Nautalax@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Frankly, those people deserve the bed they made for themselves!

    The only true victims amongst Jews (so, just looking at Jews, not globally - globally very few of the greatest victims are Jewish) who I see in all this are those who even before never wanted to be treated differently in any way form or shape because of being Jews, even when said “different treatment” could have been beneficial to them - in other words, Humanists who happen to be Jewish, not the Jews who are Racists (“positivelly” or otherwise).

    There are plenty of such people around. That said, judging by the numbers of Jews supporting the state of Israel and its actions, they’re a minority of Jews worldwide (just the Jews who support what Israel is doing in Israel plus the ones in the US add up to 54% of all Jewish People).

    Whether or not someone is a “true victim” who “deserves the bed they made” or not, antisemitism is still counterproductive to the cause of a free Palestine in either case since it encourages Jews to go to Israel. If antisemitic behavior against even an outright Israel supporting Zionist who you consider to deserve it is the final straw that pushes them far enough to move out of say NYC, London, Melbourne etc. and go to Israel, that’s a failure. Now instead of just sending donations to Israel and talking crap on Facebook or whatever, every single economic action they take in Israel boosts Israel’s GDP, their children will serve in the IDF, Israel is further strengthened and has another anchor and voice to draw in family or friends who want to visit and to tell them to move to Israel.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      11 hours ago

      The point I’m making is that the only moral obligation we have with regards to anti-semitism is to protect the victims of it and in my eyes Jewish persons who were totally fine with Racial Discrimination that favored them and those like them aren’t victims - they’ve been busy manufacturing Racism and Racists for their own benefit, and thus when the moster they themselves fed turns around and bites them, that’s the Find Out stage of their Fuck Around, and similarly Jewish persons who even now support mass murder of civilians who they see as “vermin” because they’re not from “God’s chosen people” aren’t victims, they’re aggressors being punished for their own actions.

      Mind you, Zionists who are not Jews, in my eyes are just as much people who support mass murder of civilians who they see as “vermin” because they’re not from “God’s chosen people” and thus are aggressors, hence deserving of punishment - it’s not the ethnicity that makes one an aggressor or a victim, it’s one’s words and actions.

      Whilst I totally agree that anti-semitism is not at all a just or fair way for those who deserve it to be made to suffer for their actions, none of the just ways are working because top politicians in most of the West, be it because they’re bought, blackmailed or just idiots, are activelly blocking mechanisms such as sanctions and even a blockade of Israel, so all that’s left is the equivalent of natural forces - the tide that after it goes out, comes back in - and in this case we ended up with what’s essentially the “justice” of the mob, and the mob isn’t fair and proper or even trully just - in its rage against the deeds of a few it irrationally punishes anybody who in any way form or shape is associated with those few, plenty of whom are totally innocent.

      I don’t agree with such mechanism and if I had magical powers to change things I would never choose such a mechanism, yet it is as it is, naturally so for the reasons I explained in my previous post, and those who deserve most of the blame for this are those who fed this very monster and used it against others and for their own benefit.