• kreskin@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I think that maybe what might have confused you is that about half the Jews in America still support Israel, but they’re not even the majority of Jews in the World, plus in average American’s (whether Jew or otherwise) take on most such thing tends to be quite to the right and more racist than in most other developed countries: right now the Jews outside America and Israel are much more likely to be against the actions of Israel than those in those two countries.

    Your math isnt mathing. I think you’re the confused one. 80-85% of the world Jewish people live in the US or Israel.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/06/09/jewish-population-change/

    So you start out by talking about the opinion of 15-20% of Jewish people. From there, a lot of that group also supports Israel. So you’ve trimmed that small number down do a singe digit percentage of jewish people. If you want to beat a drum about what 7% of Jews think, thats cool and all I guess, but its hardly relevant.

    there are groups such as Jews For Peace who aren’t against the existence of Israel itself but are against what they do.

    Israel started with the Nakba on day 1, kicking 450,000 people out of their homes at gunpoint, and with mass murder and abuse, and herding them into camps. That was day 1 minute 1 of the states existence and it hasnt changed for 80 years. How can “Jews for Peace” legitimately support “Israel” but deny the camps? Where is their “peace” or how will they get to equity for a crime this large? There is no conceivable path to get there and there never will be. If “Israel” exists it exists with a concentration camp of Palestinians kicked out of their homes. They cant just imagine “Israel” into existence without the reality of those murdered and bereft people. I’d go so far as to say that Jews for Peace are charlatans.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I stand corrected.

      Sadly that does mean that things are even worse than I thought and that a far, far higher percentage of Jews than I believed are pro-Genocide.

      If it’s still the case that 80% of Jews in Israel support Israel’s actions in Gaza and a further 45% in the US also support them, then using the numbers in that link you provided it turns out that literally most Jews in the World (54%) support the Genocide.

      More than half of an ethnicity being Supremacists either directly being incredibly violent in their supremacism or supporting those of their ethnicity who are, is spectacularly bad and an indictment of the social context which shaped those people’s beliefs and morals.

      No wonder that the person I was replying to saw it as a Jewish problem.