• doben@lemmy.ml
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    11 hours ago

    Yes, I’m a Magician, let me try summoning some of this stuff with this spell:
    The Ukraine war is a proxy war between NATO and Russia with the sole purpose to weaken Russia as long as it needs for the Europeans to militarize and take up Russia on their own. The Ukrainian people will have to suffer as long as it takes, as several US and European politicians have acknowledged. This is the goal, so the US can focus on the indo-pacific and ultimately, together encircle China, the main enemy, as stated in the US National Security Strategy papers 2022 and 2026. But alas, accepting that US and EU are the problem for world peace would also mean dropping the nationalist rose glasses. Or actually reading this kind of stuff.

    Now provide your reasonable reaction.

    • Sas@piefed.blahaj.zone
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      8 hours ago

      You realize that Russia started the war, right? I agree that it is used by Western nations to get a shot at weakening Russia now that it’s going and that the US does not want peace but neither does Russia

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        7 hours ago

        Okay, cool. You also realize that war is an ultima ratio, right? You surely also agree, that history didn’t start on 24 February 2022 or February 2014. Man this feels like “history didn’t start on Oct 7th” all over again. Do you also agree, that the US and the EU did have geopolitical agendas and plans long before the Krim was annexed and do you also agree, that these plans where worked at and pushed for in the real world? And could these plans involve forcing Russia into a situation where they either have NATO military on their main border towards Western Europe or act to protect their sphere of influence?

        Or – do you want to tell me, that US/EU only started acting after Russia involved itself physically in Ukraine?

        I hope you get lots of upvotes!

    • AbidanYre@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      The Ukraine war is a proxy war between NATO and Russia with the sole purpose to weaken Russia as long as it needs for the Europeans to militarize and take up Russia on their own

      Yes, it’s all NATO’s fault that Russia decided to invade Ukraine.

      Fuck off.

      • doben@lemmy.ml
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        7 hours ago

        First off, noone aquitted Russia of their guilt, so stfu with this leap of logic. Second, stop being so whiney, NATO isn’t your Daddy.

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          5 hours ago

          This is a war started by russia. Which russia continues. Yes, it’s a proxy war. That much is obvious. But the reason for it is russia. Not NATO trying to weaken russia. Unless you’re trying to claim that NATO started the war somehow. And if you claim that russia was forced to start the war because NATO was encroaching on their territory then you’re showing your true colors. Or you’re putting all of the blame on the prolonging on NATO. If your argument is that this is NATO’s fault because they’re supporting Ukraine then you’re showing you’re true colors again. And if you’re not, then what’s your argument?