The Israeli government was not shown the memorandum of understanding drafted to end the war with Iran, an Israeli government official told NBC News on Wednesday, the latest sign of growing tension between the United States and Israel.
Shortly after Donald Trump said he had given a copy of the MOU to Israel, the same source said Israel still hadn’t seen the draft. The source wouldn’t comment on whether or not Israeli diplomats had asked for the text and were denied it.
The Israeli government’s absence in the negotiations leading up to the MOU has become a perilous hindrance for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who faces career-defining elections before the end of October. The deal framework was provided to NBC News by a senior U.S. official later on Wednesday.
He really fucked up backing trump over Kamala…
She’d have given him everything he wanted just like Biden did.
But Bibi’s far right supporters wanted trump, and he can barely hang onto power with them. Eventually Israel is going to have elections again, and the Israelis that support the genocides aren’t happy because there’s not enough genocide, and the ones against it aren’t happy there’s any genocide.
Bibi has never had a chance of re-election because of that, that’s why he’s cancelled ~5 elections in a row.
If trump pulls out and leaves Israel to fight alone, we’ll actually see change in Israels government
I’m 99.99% sure Kamala wouldn’t have helped to attack Iran, and that was what Israel wanted.
So the claim that she would have given everything is stupid. Trump gave Israel more than Kamala ever would.
Kamalas husband is a prominent zionist who was going to make his time as first lady all about aggressively going after antisemitism and promoting zionism. He said, in the UN no less, that “there should be consequences” for anyone speaking in antisemtic ways. He wanted to prosecute people for political speech he didnt like.
https://apnews.com/article/politics-anti-semitism-united-nations-kamala-harris-california-a0fa6b93caf62f1f0823368f1efd682e
Yeah Miss “I’m speaking” is a real hero who did so much for basic human dignity. Loved how she shut everyone who spoke about gaza out of the Democratic party convention. Gaza was clearly on her mind in one form or another. But yeah she would have held the line at attacking Iran for Israel, uh huh.
Her husband and her brother in law literally ran her campaign. Its not like they were crazies off to the side. They told her what to say. This is who you have confidence in huh? this group of genocidal clowns?
I didn’t know this, but the husband was not the basis for my response, because he has no real political power.
There is little doubt that the Democrats would not allow a democratic president to behave as stupid as Trump, and made an enemy of almost the entire world.
Actually, that changes everything. If her husband advised her to attack Iran, she’d do so.
She was a terrible candidate, regardless. If Democrats want to win elections, they have to have open and fair primaries, something that hasn’t happened since secretary Clinton’s primary.
No that’s not how this works, Harris is not Trump. Harris would have a competent administration, and ALL the traditionally qualified general advisors would warn her about exactly what happened.
I’m not kidding you, I checked out of curiosity, and I’ve seen Youtubers warn about the exact scenario that occurred more than 3 years ago!!
When Trump claims nobody could have known, it’s decidedly laughable, because for everybody qualified with even superficial interest on the subject, it was common knowledge that Iran would close the Hormuz strait, and Iran is more difficult to win against than Iraq and Afghanistan combined. So a hurried half assed effort never stood a chance, and that was what Trump was sold on!!
Maybe but Trump was obviously way way worse. without comparison, because Trump is an obvious malignant narcissist, and that will always end worse than when he started. There is simply no way such a person can lead a country to progress.
And now he has destroyed the American empire with certainty, it is only downhill from here for USA because of Trump, and because of the fact that the American population elected him.
and luckily (or predictably?) it’s blowing up in his face
Absolutely, and equally lucky is that it’s blowing up in Netanyahu’s face too.
First, I really wish I could put that many 9s on it. I agree with you, but it would be nice if Democrats ran as directly on “no more wars” as Trump did. I definitely wouldn’t rule out Harris allowing Israel to attack Iran, but just being more discrete and framing it as “Israel’s war” instead of ours.
Second, folks should be wary: one of the things that makes Netanyahu so dangerous is that he’s genuinely a mastermind at planning AND pivoting: he’ll game out multiple sides of things, and when people say he’s cooked or is finally out of options he’ll pull out a move he had ready.
My point is that he’s never taken by surprise, and he’s the undisputed master of pulling a rabbit out of his hat when everyone thinks they’ve got him cornered.
Do not underestimate his ability to win reelection or retain his power even if he loses.
He’s not some impossible genius.
Recall that the entire October 7th attack in 2023 happened at all because Bibi moved the soldiers out of posts to prevent attacks exactly like that to posts near the judges that were overseeing his criminal trials in order to intimidate them.
Do you genuinely think he didn’t want Oct 7 to happen?
I hope he didn’t. That he was so focused on his own skin that he didn’t look at other things.
Or at least he didn’t care if there was an attack.
Maybe I’m just being overly cynical, but (based on Israel’s actions afterward) it seems to me like they must’ve been happy to have a casus bellum as an excuse to annex Gaza and now Lebanon.
I don’t think he expected or planned it, but this massive security failure does demonstrate my point.
After the attacks, it was uniformly agreed that he was now politically dead. There was no coming back from a fuck up that massive.
Yet here he stands. He turned Oct. 7 from the biggest political liability imaginable into a tremendous opportunity.
Never assume he’s finished.
That or he let Hamas attack. They knew about the plans more than a year before it happened.
That is not the point you made, Trump helped attack Iran, and has spend way way more resources attacking Iran and protecting Israel than Israel themselves have. Kamala Harris would guaranteed not have followed Israel into a war against Iran.
No he is not, what he is is a psychopath with no morals, he is just as much like Hitler as Trump is, and Kamala Harris is definitely not like Hitler.
That’s a pretty stupid statement given the current circumstances are directly contrary to what he planned.
I mean there’s a good chance she would’ve too, Democrat politicians have been been hammering about Iran and bowing to Israel for yesrs.
But either way Israel got what it asked for, and in the end it’s a pile of steaming dog shit
How do you arrive at this conclusion? The Trump administration acted 100% alone, with a completely stacked deck of people who were selected exactly to support Trump in whatever insanity he wanted. Pete Hegseth is a Nazi that would love to nuke Iran, and he is in the position that should be first to warn Trump!! There is no way Harris would have a similar unqualified idiot secretary of defense.
And as soon as the attack happened there was a storm of opposition against it! There has never been such immediate opposition to a military operation in USA! And there has never been such a consistent opposition to a military operation as the attack on Iran.
I understand the logic, but I think Trump and Biden had entirely different reasons for their support with only donors being in the center of their venn diagram. Biden was a zionist through and through. He believed Israel was aligned with our interests in the middle east and if anything changed it would have been sold as Bibi being the issue, as liberals are pretending right now that Ben Gavir and other hardliners don’t exist. I think Trump cannot even say that much because they have evidence on his crimes against children. It’s long been obvious that Trump was compromised by Israel, but the media largely only reported his conflicts of interest with Russia. The intelligence agencies believed Israel was the largest concern when it came to Trump. Trump while he doesn’t seem opposed to zionism, he would only ever see it as a positive since it runs cover for the type of society he would like to have and gives him lessons on what steps to achieve that. Especially now that Viktor Orban has been kicked out of power.
Trump’s primary reason for supporting Israel is to prop up his support among Christian Zionists, who believe Israel needs to exist in order to facilitate their messiah’s return.
Support for what reason? He doesn’t care about his already trash reputation. He doesn’t act in any way like a populist any more, even to evangelicals. Are we just going to pretend this isn’t obvious?
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/epstein-files-fbi-memo-says-israel-compromised-trump-epstein-had-mossad-ties
That’s my point…
Biden was very open about the reason he’d give Israel anything, was a conversation he had with his dad as a very small child which boiled down to: the Jewish people have been treated even worse than Catholics, no matter what happens you have to always support Israel because they’ll come for Catholics next.
Regardless of anything else, Biden will always be 100% loyal to Israel because of that
trump doesn’t give a fuck about Israel if the arrangement is no longer profitable to him personally, he’s out.
So Israel was better off with Biden/Kamala, because Kamala would be 100% loyal to Israel for just the money. But we will never have a more Israel aligned president than Biden, and Bibi is a fucking idiot for not doing all he could to get Biden a second term because of that
I think the crux of my message was that while both of them are attached to Israel, one of them is due to their own beliefs and the other is due to pressure. If it was his voters exerting that pressure keeping us in I could not see that even mattering right now. His approval is dogshit and the war only hurts it more. I think it would be naive to ignore how many times Trump has been cucked by Israel where he basically has only also done so by China. In other words, he only allows this if there’s no choice. What about Israel’s war presents no choice for the US? I think it’s far more personal why there’s no choice, and the evidence suggests compromise.
Let’s be honest here the only reason he stopped was because of the PR. The rhetoric and statements they have made they were more than willing to do this because they hate people unlike them. They were only tricked in the way that the threat was overblown by Israel. The rest was on them.
Yep…
That was the entire point of my comment.
trump isn’t loyal to anyone over himself. Biden would (and did) but Israel over not just America but his own career. Israel literally can’t buy that loyalty from any other politician.
If you try to buy trump off, it’s like the unhoused people in South Park, as soon as you hand him money he pretends it never happened and asks again.
Be aware that the change will likely be going from an old genocidal facist to a younger more-genocidal facist.
If we had a comoetent administration we’d know what we do when Israel deploys a nuclear weapon and Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Qatar, and Lebanon all either produce their own or delcaring deploying one locally the deciding factor of their allyship.
As it is, I think the effective plan is “fumble and cave” as Russia and China snap up every proxy they can.