• kescusay@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    What the actual hell happened to Labour? Who can the left turn to now? Is it worth trying to salvage?

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      11 hours ago

      There was an internal coup by the stooges of rich donors, many of them also aligned with Israel’s current genocidal government.

      Who can the left turn to now?

      Your Party looks increasingly like a dead duck, so that leaves the Greens. Ignore the character assassination against Polansky, which will continue, but keep in mind that the Greens have been growing rapidly and don’t yet have a party organisation with good nationwide coverage. Also the party’s governance structures need to be strengthened to prevent fuckery like the entryism that stymied the Zionism-is-racism resolution at the last party conference. It’s got the most open governance system of any party (along with Your Party), which is good, but its openness makes it at risk of being gamed by bad-faith actors, and that part will have to be changed.

      Is it worth trying to salvage?

      It’s worth trying, but it might be better to consider other options. Almost the entire party apparatus and a significant percentage of sitting Labour MPs are aligned with Labour Together. As we saw during Corbyn’s time as leader, the parliamentary party is far to the right of the membership. That has only gotten wose as Starmer has purged the few leftists in the party. As for potential leaders once Starmer fucks off, Streeting is likely to be even worse than Starmer, Burnham has already said he’d continue Shabana Mahmoud’s Reform-parroting immigration policies and won’t attempt to reverse Brexit, and it’s still unclear what Rayner would do differently, having once been in Starmer’s cabinet.

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        9 hours ago

        It was galling to see „Your Party“ (still a stupid name) fall in line with every other British party on trans issues right from its launch. Talk about missing the point. I found out recently that I technically have British citizenship but I will never exercise it.

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      21 hours ago

      I do not have a full accounting of what happened exactly but broad strokes are, Thatcher broke their brains and they went New Labour, meaning they would coddle the capitalists even more than they already had been doing. This kept up, Labour became more about getting fancy jobs, the started and supported deeply unpopular wars (especially unpopular among the left), Labour started tanking again and then they chose racism to try and claw back. The only reason they are in power now is because the Conservatives fucked up so much they became functionally irrelevant. But now the attempts by the cons and labs to out-racism each other will come home to roost with Reform on the horizon, quickly gaining momentum, so Labour and especially Starmer are trying to appease both the soulless capitalists who know the end of this economic cycle is coming (and will be disastrous) and the actual fascists of Reform and their voters. They are chasing fictional voter groups that will never vote for Labour while hemorrhaging their actual voter base to the Greens because hey, wasn’t Labour supposed to not be a fascist island of job-hopping dickholes?

      Oh and a lot of social-democrats literally just died. Not even kidding, in statistics a not-insignificant voter base they had just straight up died and now Labour is standing on their graves going ‘please vote for us again, we’re racist now please’

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        Yeah, the rot started with Blair got in and killed off Clause IV. Before that, at least lip service was being given to public ownership.

        And the reason there aren’t young socialists and social-democrats is because young people know that Labour, as currently constituted, is just Tory Lite. And the Tories have become a Reform clone.

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        It wasn’t just the Party bureaucrats. The main faction behind the anti-Corbyn coup was organised by Mandelson and his Mini-Me McSweeney, with Blair lurking behind the curtains. And the money behind Labour Together was deliberately obfuscated, but much of it appears to have come from donors whose quid pro quo was unconditional support for Israel.

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      Someone from the UK trans community would know best but from the news I’ve been following, “Your Party” (i.e. the people aligned with Zarah Sultana at least) could turn out to be the most dedicated to trans rights but they’re probably the least likely to win a seat anytime soon, while the Green Party has the right to self-identify on the platform for both trans and nonbinary folks, and is gaining in momentum. Plaid Cymru in Wales also has this.

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      The capitalists need number to go up. They can’t generate more, so offloading costs to and eroding rights of the workers is the easiest way to do it.

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        The Power and Money elites will never ever accept to not keep getting “more cake”, so when the Economy doesn’t grow anymore, they switch from capturing pretty much the entirety of Economic Growth to Pillaging the existing wealth in the rest of society.

        So the Economy has become more and more one of rent-seeking (which, thanks to increased indebtness, has expanded to such an extreme level that it is effectivelly taking existing wealth away from the people who own the least money-producing assets, who are mostly the younger generations and the working class) and less and less one of value adding activities, plus the share that the rest of Society (read: mainly workers) gets from the wealth still created has fallen so Consumption keeps falling.

        All of this just makes the Economy grow even less (all that extra money for the wealthy ends up as Investments, which in turn end up as more Production, not Consumption, and as even that has stopped delivering any returns more and more of that money ends up in speculative assets, hence the various bubbles, from Realestate to Crypto and AI) so there is more and more overt Pillaging, which comes with more Authoritarianism in the form of Civil Society Surveillance and Forceful Suppression of Civil Society Movements to keep the victims from changing the system than enables and supports that Pillaging, and similarly with the Press (even those parts of it which had an image of independence) becoming even more intenselly Propagandistic than they were before.

        Add to this the notion that the extreme Far Right in Britain (i.e. Reform) are the paid for political puppets of the ultra-rich (hence why the billionaire owned newspapers all support them) and almost all of the shit going on in the UK right now is explainable as pieces of a broad policy of keeping the elites in power and stopping the civil society from effectivelly challenging those power structures (by spotting them early via surveillance and cracking down hard on even the most peacefull challanges against the dictatums of those in power).