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    13 hours ago

    The common one is ‘assigned gender at birth’.

    *assigned sex

    gender is assigned at birth by society, sex is assigned at birth by biology

    usually they match, but sometimes they dont (hard-to-detect intersex conditions (which are never noticed), easy-to-detect intersex conditions (that get you mutilated))

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      5 hours ago

      sex is assigned at birth by biology

      Minor unimportant correction: Sex is usually assigned at birth by nurses. It’s occasionally incorrect because it’s usually decided by what the baby’s crotch looks like rather than a blood test.

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        no, assigned sex is assigned by biology

        nurses failing to notice that youre intersex doesnt make you not intersex

        nurses attempt to discern the birth-assigned sex; they do not decide it

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          The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time.

          Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth.

          Your actual sex isn’t assigned by anybody, and certainly isn’t decided at birth, but rather at conception.

          Timeline:

          1. Conception: chromosomes determined.
          2. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics.
          3. Birth: nurse assigns male or female.
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            The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time.

            no

            i’m using it to mean “gotten without having chosen it”

            the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery

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                2 hours ago

                “at birth” is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate

                its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered

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                  1 hour ago

                  afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth.

                  Cis men don’t describe themselves as “amab” they just describe themselves as men.

                  Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time.

                  There’s a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn’t take anything else into account.

                  Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb “assigned” and the context “at birth”.