• GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
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    12 hours ago

    Neither Korea or China are perfect, but they both survived. Was Kim Il Sung a real ideological communist or just an opportunist? He’s dead, so we can’t ask him, but living standards in the North were higher than in the South under his rule, there was free healthcare. Private capital still seems to have little power in North Korea, and the power of capital is curtailed in China as well. Whether or not they can be called socialist is up for debate, but they’re certainly closer to socialism than any Western democracies.

    As far as democracy goes, we’ll take China as an example. You wouldn’t call them a democracy, but they’re much more responsive to the needs and interests of the people than any western democracy. What’s better, a single-party state that acts in the interests of the people, or a democratic state that completely ignores them?

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      12 hours ago

      but they’re certainly closer to socialism than any Western democracies.

      How is a state where workers can’t organize more socialist than one where workers can?

      but they’re much more responsive to the needs and interests of the people than any western democracy

      Lol, there is no public healthcare, no free childcare, you have to pay to go to high school, no unions, I don’t see how you can claim they are more responsive to people’s needs than states that y-know respond to people’s needs?