• Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.world
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    19 小时前

    MLs are always controlled opposition (and always have been), just look at how quickly they team up with capitalists to take out any real socialists.

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        10 小时前

        Spain, Korea, Ukraine, the Soviets.

        Any attempt at putting the workers in charge instead of the state is met with violence.

        It’s not controlled in the sense that capitalist control them, it’s just controlled in the sense that the state requires private property & structurally state-capitalism is closer to liberal-capitalism, so you get less pushback from the cops, bureaucrats, bosses & other assorted middle managers that still get to live off labor of the workers.

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          12 小时前

          Haha I’d never heard that take before. I’m curious about two things. 1) How do you define MLs? 2) What would real socialism entail? I’m guessing with those answers I should have a good idea what you’re talking about.

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            10 小时前
            1. Anyone who self-identifies as an ML, such as the part mentioned: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_the_Russian_Federation

            2. Workers being in control of the means of production, like actually not in some “the party represents the workers BS”.

            • cooperatives & unions control job sites - real unions not yellow unions
            • workers control the economy via some real mechanism not 1 party elections with per-determined outcomes (Could be state-less - e.g Anarchy, could be state-full e.g some form of democratic socialism, will probably be a mix of both)
            • the people that work farms control them and are not forced to give back the farms to capitalists like the USSR did in Spain.
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              Hell yeah💪. I personally agree with how you define socialism. I’m a reddit refugee lol. They are all LMs and Stalinists over there.