U.S. Vice President JD Vance said on April 14 that he is proud of Washington cutting off funding to Ukraine amid Russian aggression, listing it among the Trump administration’s top achievements.
Speaking at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia, Vance recalled being confronted by a Ukrainian-American over his calls to halt funding for Ukraine.
“And this person got really agitated at me because I was saying we should stop funding the Ukraine war,” Vance said.
Hey R voters and sitouts: proud yet?
Republicans literally don’t give a shit about Ukraine.
I’ve made the mistake before of assuming they had a basic sense of human decency. I pointed out that trump and congressional republicans would pull funding for Ukrainian defense, and I was blindsided when someone responded to me as if they view that as a good thing.
I was flabbergasted, dumbfounded. What do you even say to that? How do you even debate someone who lacks any semblance of logic or empathy?
And yet the same people think it’s fine that we’re still giving bombs to Israel, and launching billion-dollar rockets at Iranian civilians.
It’s absolutely insane.
But they had to sit out the election because of Palestine!
Not that they care that Trump just lifted all restrictions on Bibi in Gaza, the morally important thing is to teach Harris a lesson!
And signal their inability to tell between different levels of evil, or to see things beyond a 14-day timeframe, apparently.
They don’t want to understand that harris was the lesser evil from where to start something new. But they are also coward enough to not admit that by not voting, they put pedohitler and harris at the same level.
They won’t ever admit it because they know it means that they couldn’t see anything worse on the child rapist than in harris. In the end, for them, raping children and supporting israhell not worse than just supporting israhell, meaning that for them, raping children is not something to consider when voting for a president.
There’s the child-raping, and then there’s the whole barreling towards a cyberpunk hellhole that Trump and the heritage foundation are engineering. This doesn’t seem like a difficult choice to make, I honestly can’t understand these people.
I think when it comes to those people, my judgement is fair: they are amoral idiots who are maybe worse than trump supporters. Trump supporters proudly exclaim they’re involved in fascism and everything else that history taught us is horrendous. The protest non voting “leftist” not only hides what they are, they seek to maximize the number of others who increase the damage. Then they want you to feel morally inferior if you didn’t join them in helping to destroy the social fabric.
I used to be critical of sitouts but over time I’ve grown more sympathetic towards them. Imagine voting out Trump with the expectation that Trump is going to come swinging next election and democrats will prepare to make sure fascism doesn’t get a foothold in America. And then for the next 4 years you see nothing being done to prevent fascism and what worse, you see democrats capitulate to fascists and normalize fascism by moving to the right themselves. I too would get jaded about voting when there’s no “I don’t want fascists” option. What failed America weren’t the sitouts. It’s the decades of political apathy letting corporations take over politics, which has led to republicans going full fascist and democrats turning into controlled opposition.
Blaming the sitouts isn’t going to solve anything because what are they supposed to do? Voting for democrats isn’t going to get rid of the fascists, it’s only going to delay until the democrats themselves turn openly fascist. Obviously they shouldn’t vote for the republican party because that’s a lost cause. Voting current third party candidates is kinda pointless because of how the political system works. So what’s the solution you expect from the sitouts? I’dsay sitouts have nothing to do until there’s a schism in the democratic party and the progressives split from the establishment democrats. Then sitouts should vote for the progressives and I imagine the vast majority of them will because then they’ll actually have someone willing to represent them.
While Biden should have done more, Trump was put on trial. The system could and should have worked, and Trump would be in prison, except for the corrupt judges instated by Republicans who sabotaged the trials. Especially SCROTUS.
And now the sitouts, who you are sympathetic to, has just put Republicans in power again. And Republicans are appointing more corrupt judges, stacking the courts. All because of sitouts. And then when Democrats are in power again, sitouts will again complain about Democrats doing nothing when those corrupt judges block Democrats. Fuck sitouts, they are stupid.
Do you know what would’ve kept Trump away? Absolute low-hanging fruits like fixing the healthcare system and affordability. Democrats could’ve taken a “what’s a social democracy” checklist, put half of them as their campaign promises and had a landslide victory. The democrats didn’t need to put Trump in prison to prevent him, all they needed to do was give the people what they need and they couldn’t even do that because it would hurt their corporate overlords.
Voters did not give Democrats the votes in Congress for this.
Sometimes I think Americans just don’t know how democracy works at all. If you do not give a party legislative power, then you can’t blame that party for not passing legislation.
So Trump can run on affordability but democrats can’t?
Trump lies. Trump has just caused huge inflation, with the oil crisis caused by the Iran War. Would you be happy if Democrats just lied too?
If they actually tried to work towards getting those things to pass, yes I’d rather have them “lie” and try than be honest and do nothing. Because is it really lying if you’re actually trying to do it?
Trump can shamelessly lie and the media and his supporters will eat it up while democrats are held to an entirely different standard. Yes.
Hello! We offer you a child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life OR a stablishment candidate that will keep things as they are now.
Apparently, things before trump were so awfully worse than people had a hard time between staying the same and voting for the child rapist, convicted felon who supports bibi the nazi, that plans to install nazism in your country and take you back 500 years in rights and quality of life.
Now that’s a more accurate representation of the offers. And yeah, clearly things did get to shit that people no longer cared to vote on whether to get fucked right now or later.
Do you want to go full fash in a couple of years? Or go slowly and maybe work in the meanwhile to change things?
And, are you telling me that by the end of biden’s presidency things were as bad as they are now?
America tried that between 2020-2024 and how did that end? You still went full fascist. You want my scorching hot take? Had Trump won in 2020 things wouldn’t be as bad as they are right now because he wouldn’t have had time to plan out how to properly fuck everything over. He would’ve gone into his second presidency with poor popularity and an uprising would’ve happened sooner rather than later. By playing the waiting game you’ve brought more suffering into the world.
“bad things happened, fuck it I’ll help more bad things happen” will never be the reasonable take you’re trying to say it is.
That’s not what I said. I said “shit is bad and I have a choice between shit getting worse fast or slow, so I don’t care which I choose because both options lead to shit going bad”.
If you had to pick between getting fucking in the ass with a 9 inch dildo or a 6 inch dildo that will eventually grow to 9 inches, do you really care that the 6 inches is smaller right now? Or would you prefer to not get fucked in the ass in the first place? You probably wouldn’t be getting fucked in the ass by a 9 inch dildo if the alternative was to not get fucked in the ass at all.
This is so fucking ignorant. People are literally dying worldwide because of the actions of these people in 2025
Yeah. And none of it would’ve happened if the democrats had actually tried to appeal to their voters instead of pulling the same “but our hands are tied so we won’t even try” shit they’ve been doing for decades. Do you want a pad on the back for it happening in 2025 and not 2022-2023? Had Harris been voted it would be happening in 2029. You’re missing the big picture. This was always going to happen because there’s no pushback against fascism, there’s only kicking the can down the road.
You just illustrated in your own analogy perfectly what our point is. These people never had a real choice if they cared about the outcome, they just wanted to feel blameless for the bad choice they wanted to make.
So you’d rather get fucked by a 6 inch dildo than demand to not get fucked as all. Got it.
Your analogy explicitly lays out the options and just whining about there not existing a third option does not change anything.
And there’s no third option because anyone who falls out of line to demand more gets told to fall back in line. Case in point blaming the sitouts. They’re sitting out because they don’t want to get fucked and you’re flaming them for not wanting a 6 inch dildo up their ass.
I find your focus on assfucking strange. It’s almost as if you’re as afraid of it as these sitouts are of admitting responsibility.
Clearly it’s the only analogy that works with you people so I’m going to keep using it. I think it’s weird that you’re defending getting fucked by a 6 inch dildo instead of agreeing that you didn’t want it in the first place.
Perhaps, if more people voted for Dems more regularly they’d have more balls to do stuff like throw trump in jail etc. But as it is now, they have to deal with having a very tight margins on the political capital they have to spend. Not voting just makes things worse.
As I pointed out in my other comment, they didn’t need to throw Trump in jail. Had they campaigned on what people actually need (you know shit that is common sense in other western nations like free healthcare, affordable housing, workers rights, free education) they would’ve easily beaten Trump. This notion that they needed to lock up Trump to win is exactly what is wrong with the democratic party. It’s not focusing on what they can do for the people, it’s focusing on what they can do to be in power. Demand more from the democrats.
You are missing my point. They can’t do the things that people want because the same people don’t vote for them enough and give them big enough majority and enough political capital. Its always 49,9% vs. 50,1% or something stupid like that. In that sort of system they have to walk the middle road as much as possible to pull the morons away from the right. If they start doing stuff like universal healthcare etc, the morons are just going to yell “communism!!111!!1!” and vote them out in the next cycle. So of course they can’t do that, because they are afraid of being voted out.
Its 100% the voters fault for being such stupid morons that the adults in the room have to cater to the idiot babies who have the votes.
Some morons yell communism and vote against them. Other morons cry that they didn’t get a pony and stay home.
Well said. I’ll steal that from you if you don’t mind.
Trying to claim ownership of something posted on a free internet forum is a losing battle.
It’s all yours.
And people don’t vote for them because they never offer the voters what they want. Do you see the problem here?
Yeah I see the problem. The people need to take the first step and support them for more than a couple of election cycles. And I don’t mean just voting. Vote, contact them, go to their events, call them, send mail, emails. Make sure your voice is heard.
I find it ridiculous that people sit at home and yell at their tv “they aren’t doing what I want!” and think they are politically active. Goddamn morons.
That is not how representational democracy works. The politicians represents what you want and then you vote for them. It doesn’t work the other way around where you vote for a politician and then maybe they’ll do what you want them to do. Is it their job to know what you want BECAUSE IT IS THEIR JOB TO FUCKING REPRESENT YOU.
It shouldn’t come as a surprise that sympathy towards Israel is waning, there are multiple polls from multiples sources showing that. So why hasn’t the democratic party taken a more anti-Israel stance? Is it because they’re too fucking incompetent at their job to know what the people want (in which case why the fuck would you vote for them in the first place) or is it because they don’t care what the people want because they get money from AIPAC?
People not wanting blood on their hands is not an endorsement of Republicans doing more of the same.
The only reason you even frame it like that is because you can’t defend a party of mass murderers on their own merits, so you have to compare them to Republicans to absolve your own complicity.
In a binary system that’s the way it goes. It sucks, but that the reality we live in.
Good job helping Trump win.
I’m not even American, dipshit.
Children… 😞
Didn’t Mom and Dad teach you about the US system of government? That a vote is for a better option not a perfect option? That you’re voting for the public benefit? That it’s sometimes about just keeping things from getting worse?
“I didn’t vote” means your didn’t do even the bare minimum thing you could have done to have stopped Trump. You’re culpable.
I won’t be talked down to by people who are fine with the mass slaughter of children. You voted for that. That makes you culpable, so go fuck yourself.
Don’t you have 5th period math to get to or something?
Americans are fine with foreign kids dying and committing a genocide elsewhere, they draw the line when their rights are under threat.
They love empire. Every second of it. In their minds the worst thing about imperialism is not the extraction of resources nor the mass slaughter of women and children, but that every once in a while the other imperialist party gets to take credit for it too.
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In the first past the post system in the US, it is absolutely the same.
Thank you for identifying who you are. I appreciate it when lemmings do that. Like the guy yesterday defending Elon musk. Now I no longer need to wonder if y’all have anything valuable to say.
Funny how nobody has actually challenged anything I said. They just default to insults, lectures and holding me personally responsible for Democrats shitting the bed.
It looks like you’re more of the same in that regard, but if you’re going to ignore me you might as well contradict yourself by announcing it loudly and proudly I guess lol
Probably because we thought through how ludicrous your argument was 20 years ago. Before you were born.
And all this was discussed ad nauseum from 2023-2024. We don’t need to prove any of the basic 4th grade logic to you.
It’s not really a hard concept that I said I’d ignore your future ramblings. It’s for the benefit of other people thinking the same.
I’m actually past my 20’s, but thanks for the lecture anyway 👍
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No, say what you want to say it.
Maybe there wouldnt be so many sit outs if the Democratic party actually tried to help people, or at least said they will. People are fucking stupid. Whether you think voting for the lesser evil is logically correct or not, that’s evidently not how the average American feels. Running an uninspiring, pro genocide campaign doesn’t encourage people who don’t feel targeted by current politics to engage.
If there’s ever another fair election, they simply have to do better. The bar was in the floor and they couldn’t clear it.
I gave up trying to explain to the sitouts why they did wrong. But they refuse to understand even the most basic concept of the lesser evil. All you hear when you discuss with them is “lib”, “libtard”, some basic insults and a fixed set of “reasons” why they couldn’t get to vote for harris and why it’s not their fault at all that pedohitler is president.
They are just cowards who refuse to admit they fucked up greatly. It’s always someone else’s fault with them.
If anything, their fixation on using GENOCIDE to attack anyone with a dissenting view, instead of engaging and considering anything other than GENOCIDE, has desensitized people to the word. Watch as i get smacked around for being a ‘GENOCIDE supporter’ lol.
The thing about voting for a lesser evil, is you’re still voting for evil. You’re complicit in evil and then pat yourself on the back for it. You perpetuate an evil system and then are surprised when it gets more evil, and then blame those who tell you support someone not evil, while complaining about the evil you wrought. Its mindboggling.
Fine, let’s work out a system that’s better and get it in place. In the meantime, this is the system we have: a two-party system. In the case of the last election, one candidate was clearly far, far more abhorrent than the other. If you can’t see or admit that, then we don’t have anything to discuss. Anyone who saw that, yet didn’t vote, is complicit in us ending up with the far worse option.
The fact that you think voting for someone you admit was abhorrent is admirable is hilarious. Getting mad at someone who didn’t do that is like offering someone the choice between dirt and shit for dinner, and then getting mad at them when they say let’s find some actual food.
You sure keep avoiding the central question: do you think we would be better or worse under Kamala as compared to Trump?
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A lot of them are proud of this. Many R voters were complaining about aid being sent to Ukraine. I know my mom was.
Hey flexibletoast, your mom is a real piece of shit
Correct. That’s why I haven’t spoken to her in over a year.
I voted for green party candidate. Are you proud for supporting the genocide & 20k children that Biden helped fund killing & sent bombs to kill them, and that his administration vetoed ceasefire resolutions, & that Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently?
Strawman fallacy, these people do not support the genocide, they support electing the lesser evil.
Lesser evil? Mass slaughtering children is just evil. There is no moral high ground when that is what you support.
Are you referring to the 2022 bombing of a maternity hospital in Mariupol, the 2024 bombing of a maternity hospital in Kyiv, or the 2025 attacks against children’s hospitals in Kherson, Kharkiv, Kamianske, and Odessa? (These are just the results from the first page of search results.)
Or are you referring to Russia literally stealing Ukrainian children from their families to try to erase their culture?
I say those things to say this: We can all pretend to be stupid when it suits us. I know you weren’t thinking of Ukrainian children. It suits me right now to ensure those examples are fresh on your mind.
The game of politics is still being played even if you chose to make moves that didn’t contribute strategically. The U.S. system is not democratic, and unless it is reformed, voters must compromise their morals to achieve some of their aims. It sucks, but it’s the reality.
You made a call. You thought it was the most moral thing you could do at the time.
Rather than attack your past decisions, or try to convince you to see things from my worldview — I want to ask if you could go back in time and explain the current state of the world to yourself do you think you would make the same voting decisions again?
Hamas October 7 incursion was arguably a genocide against Israel. For example Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears:
And Hamas kidnapped 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were also taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip, including 30 kidnapped children.
This was straight out an act of war. Hamas, with the majority support of Gaza Palestinians, started this war. While I do not endorse everything Israel has done in Gaza, the basic justification for Israel’s invasion of Gaza to rescue their hostages was 100% legitimate. And Biden and Harris set limits on what Israel could do, unlike Trump.
“A genocide against Israel”🤣
This is the sort of shit Democrat voters say unironically.
So took you took action that helped the GOP, instead of biting the sour apple and trying to prevent the GOP from winning, you helped fracture the opposition to them, for what?
The weird satisfaction of avoiding a hypothetical scenario that would have been less bad than the current one.
Give yourself a nickel, you played yourself well.
No I participated in Democracy and voted for who I felt best represented me. I voted for the Palestinian choice and stood in solidarity with Palestinians. You know the people you still mock and claim deserve what they got and deserve to die, and that you claim are stupid. The only people playing here are Democrats. They absolutely give zero shits about Palestinians or Muslims. They only care about Zionists. Heck, you can’t even get Democratic leadership to vote still on ending the funding for this illegal war, and many of them have come out in support of Trump’s actions.
With the current political system in the US when you have a system based on FPTP, a ridiculously undemocratic system, you can’t use normal democratic rules.
You need to play the game within the rules.
The green party has zero chance to get into congress or gain any influence, they will only steal votes from the Democrats, and that will only serve the GOP.
Until the US rids it self from FPTP, any vote for any other party other than the Dems will gain the GOP.
Democrats deserve to lose then. I mean I honestly don’t see any difference at this point between Zionist and Democrats. They both do evil things and then claim they are the victims. If only people like you would actually have a moral compass then you’d spend your time criticizing anyone who didn’t vote for a green party candidate.
I get your feeling of hopelessness, the best you can do right now is to work to promote proportional representation over FPTP, and while doing that keep voting to keep the GOP out of power, meaning voting democrat.
Fuck their “feelings”.
People like you expose Democrats as the racist, hypocritical, fascists they really are.
So you want me to vote against the Palestinian’s preferred choice of Green Party for AIPAC-owned pro-genocide Democrats in order to save the Palestinians, because you believe Palestinians are too stupid to know what is good for them? Was it good for you when ICE, trained by the IDF, killed a few Americans? That is who your politicians vote to support. Your choices have consequences.
I want you to limit the harm caused by the US.
You are laser focused on Palestine, but look beyond that, would Kamela have kidnapped, Venezuela’s president, would she have blockaded Cuba, would she have attacked Iran, alienated NATO and other allies, stopped helping Ukraine?
There is more going on here than Palestine.
I’m not sure who you are letting influence you about what Palestines want. But they would certainly prefer democrat’s ME policy over Trump’s. It’s that simple.
If you admit this was about who “deserves” a political consequence, you have just admitted you never gave a fuck about Gaza to begin with. It was about weird punishment for you. Thanks for admitting that.
No, you voluntarily chose to pretend like you were participating, and instead actively helped get Trump into office.
Yeah, we know that you supported Russian asset Jill stein. For such good and noble reasons… 😂😂😂
LOL, you repeat that with no evidence. Do you repeat the 40k dead peaceful protestors too? What about the weapons of mass destruction? I mean with Kamala Cheney praising that war criminal, you must believe that lie, right?
I don’t know what you’re trying to imply but you act in support of the kremlin so that’s kinda all that anyone needs to know about you.
No, it is you that supports authoritarian & fascism. You voted for an ardent apartheid supporter.
You voted for Donald Trump with extra steps and I don’t care how much you dispute it, the truth can and will never change about that.