French President Emmanuel Macron on Saturday, February 14, urged calm and restraint after the fatal beating of a 23-year-old French youth aligned with the far-right on the sidelines of a conference by a hard-left lawmaker in the southeastern city of Lyon.
The death of the young man – identified only as Quentin – has intensified tensions between France’s far-right and radical left who are both eyeing 2027 presidential elections.
He had been hospitalized in Lyon on Thursday after being attacked while providing what his supporters said was security for a protest against an appearance by hard-left MEP Rima Hassan at the Lyon branch of the Sciences Po university.
Their “political beliefs” are inherently violent and actively seek to oppress and cause harm to those they deem as “lesser”. Don’t try to downplay this with silvery words.
It doesn’t matter if they are angry and confused when they are actively creating a hostile environment for those they victimize. We first must protect our communities. So, they have two options: stop spouting their bullshit so we can ensure the safety and comfort of our community or be stopped by any means necessary. If they end up dead then they made their choice to die on the hill of supporting oppression.
We should be going after the root cause, yes, but first we must build our communities so that we can have the foundation to do so and we cannot accomplish that while we have fascist supporters actively breaking that community down by spreading their hatred.
Ahh, so you’re trying to stop violence with a “preemptive” strike? It’s better to kill them now so they don’t kill others later?
Kind of ironic, don’t you think?
What is preemptive about people fighting back against their active oppressors?
Where do you draw the line of acceptable self-defense? Or are you just one of those “AlL viOlEnCE iS bAD nO mATteR tHe cONteXT!” idiots?
I love when the nazi lovers out themselves.
It’s sad people like you think they’re right when they’re wrong.
What a blatant interpretation of what I said.
It isn’t preemptive. It is direct, self defense against it. They start it by engaging in inherently violent rhetoric. We then tell them to stop spouting their oppressive bullshit. If they don’t, they will be made to stop to defend the community against them and protect those who they are attempting to marginalize.
If you cannot understand this simple explanation, then you cannot be helped or are clearly arguing in bad faith.
If you don’t remove all of the cancer and rot, it will continue to fester and grow until it kills the host.
So you think it makes more sense to target the symptom rather than the cause?
You’re not just advocating for this because it’s easier and more convenient than going after the source?
The last time fascism rose globally 70 million people died. Fascism is a cancer that needs to be cut out and destroyed or it will multiply and destroy everything and everyone in its path. It’s global cancer
Fuck your false dichotomy bullshit.
You can treat the symptoms while working to cure the cause. The two are not mutually exclusive. Each has merit and doing both simultaneously has compounding benefits.
And to you, “treating the symptoms” is beating and murdering people who disagree with you?
Specifically those who disagree with my right to live. If you disagree on any other front, there’s no reason for violence.
How are they disagreeing with your right to live?
Oh fuck of with that disingenuous “people who disagree with you” bullshit.
You’re clearly here in bad faith.
Fuck off, fascist sympathizer.
You’re clearly too far gone.
I hope you get the help you need.
Hope you meet the fate those like you deserve.
The voting and response to your reasonable comments are what disappoint me most about the Fediverse. These people aren’t against violence out of principle. They’re against violence directed at their people.
There have been multiple times I’ve had to point out in politics and news communities the irony of people on the left literally dehumanizing their opponents. Apparently, people perceived as Nazi sympathizers don’t deserve trials, because they’re not even really people. We shouldn’t tolerate the intolerant, but that’s not not the same as not giving them due process. Even the literal Nazis got trials.
We know what happens when ideological extremists take power. They kill off their opponents to preserve doing things the “right” way. That happens whether they started out believing in their racial superiority or believing the workers need to rise above their oppressors. Eventually, they turn their nations into totalitarian hellholes so the “bad” guys don’t return to power. I guess we should just start shooting Commies and Nazis dead in the streets so that doesn’t happen. Also, the “centrists” who aren’t Commies or Nazis should die because they aren’t sufficiently against Commies or Nazis depending on your frame or reference.
Yes, I try to be forgiving and think it’s mostly due to a mob mentality. Everyone wants to one-up each other to show that they’re more dedicated to the cause, and eventually that leads to cheering when others are murdered for their beliefs.
You have a good point about ideological extremists taking power. It’s what happened in Nazi Germany. It’s what happened in the Soviet Union. It’s what’s happening in North Korea.
I wish we, collectively, could understand that this has more to do with human nature rather than what’s actually being discussed. Until we reach that point, we can expect to keep making the same mistakes again and again.
Your whole thing perceives ANY act of violence as escalating into extremism, how is that not the exact same kind of totalitarian black and white authoritarian ideology just defanged and turned on its head? Anyone doing violence of any kind is just as bad as Nazis, because you were fed some pacifist pseudo religious isolated morality bullshit tale at some point that you took as an absolute truth. That’s stupid. That is simply not how the real world works.
Where does self defense fit into your enlightened pacifist worldview?
Yeah, you don’t know what your talking about and you’re making assumptions that aren’t true.
This wasn’t self defense, and I never proclaimed to be a pacifist. I said we should target the source rather than the symptoms.
I think you’re just angry and trying to fit in with your peers.
I think you just enjoy jerking yourself off up there on your pedestal. Fuck you and the moral high horse you rode in on.
We see you.
You can’t see past your blind rage.
One if these twats basically told you you should die for defending Nazis, and all you did was say the guy shouldn’t have been beaten to death.